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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by posterboy »

piyh wrote: post #97
hammock wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

Meta is different because of the US fails as a state, they lose. China doesn't. Meta might still be a shitty company, but their incentives are not to gather intelligence against US citizens that could be used to conduct cyber attacks or plan for military operations.

> Meta is different because of the US fails as a state, they lose. China doesn't.

Oh, so it's us vs them. Gotcha.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by edm0nd »

rglullis wrote: post #58
eric__cartman wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be unacceptable regardless of country of origin.

I agree. But until then, what do you think the people should do?

Twitter should bring back Vine so we have a US ran equivalent.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by hotpotamus »

piyh wrote: post #97
hammock wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

Meta is different because of the US fails as a state, they lose. China doesn't. Meta might still be a shitty company, but their incentives are not to gather intelligence against US citizens that could be used to conduct cyber attacks or plan for military operations.

What does Meta lose if the US fails as a state? I'm sure there are some downsides but isn't it a global company anyway?

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by rglullis »

throwaway29812 wrote: post #90
rglullis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different only in paper. The US also can put lot of pressure on the companies via TLAs.

Has the US Gov utilized data from private companies to aid in the targeting and internment of their own citizens ? https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t...

Not yet.

The only way to make sure that it continues like this is if nobody can collect the data.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by CyanBird »

tablespoon wrote: post #105
CyanBird wrote: post #89

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> Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected Correct, therefore far more attention ought be put to domestic corporate and government spying on the public because they have got a far stronger leverage over the public's mind than foreign companies whom do not Also, wouldn't it just be funny if Meta had some internal deals to acquire Tiktoks data? Lastly, if memory serves Tiktok m…

>> Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected >> The important context here is we seem to be transitioning away from the era of kumbaya free market globalism into an era of tenser geopolitical rivalries and more conflict. > Correct, therefore far more attention ought be put to domestic corporate and government spying on the public because they have got a far stronger leverage o…

And to make myself even more explicit, I am saying that desires of the US Public are indeed different from "US (Gov) Interests" as noted from the Snowden leaks, the Pentagon Papers, the Church Committee, Afghanistan Papers, Manning Leaks et al we can see that there's a (rather) serious divergence between the desires of both and should not be conflated

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by posterboy »

kube-system wrote: post #70
rglullis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different only in paper. The US also can put lot of pressure on the companies via TLAs.

The situation in the US is not without valid criticism , but it is not even close to comparable with the legal environment in China. The US has a judicial branch that frequently operates at odds against its own executive branch, by design.

> frequently

once every blue moon?

> by design

that sounds much bigger than it is, a little like inteligent design.

> not even close to comparable with the legal environment in China.

So, you are literally saying that you are not in a position to compare them. Or at least you are saying it's so out of this world, it may be on another planet, a parallel universe even.

Really, I have discovered a legitimate branch of legal research is in constitutional comparation (or whatever it's called). Sounds more promissing than it likely will be, surely a small field, but damn I'm intrigued.

I do concede that this thread should focus on less whataboutism.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by ppsreejith »

hammock wrote: post #36
upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

> let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way

For more context, from: https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/policy/zuck-bucks-consp...

> He offered nearly half a billion dollars in grants to any election official who wanted one, as long as those officials spent it on what a lot of people would consider mundane essentials: ballot sorters, drop boxes, poll workers and — because it was 2020 — hand sanitizer.

> And when those election officials applied for more money than he originally offered, he kicked in another $119 million to satisfy the rest of the requests.

> At a time when Republicans are rapidly restricting access to the ballot box in states across the country, spending nearly half a billion dollars to do the exact opposite of that is tantamount to a partisan choice. Or, at least, it was bound to be viewed that way.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by theplumber »

kube-system wrote: post #75
theplumber wrote: post #57

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>> In the US is it normal and routine for corporations to dispute government demands. But we already know that's just somescreen and the U.S gov/NSA gets the data. Poor Snowden ruined his life for almost nothing.

The difference is that there is a non-zero amount of friction in the US. We also know that many companies in the US say “no” and have the legal ability to do it. For example, when the FBI asked Apple to unlock a phone for them, they said no, and they never did. In China, your company doesn’t say “no” because the CCP members forcibly installed on your company’s board always vote “yes”. And in fact, the CCP holds the i…

The few legislative protections apply mainly to U.S citizens. I guess the europeans and the rest of the world is doomed. Of course CCP is not same as the U.S government but we know that when money/interests of U.S corporations or U.S government is at stake bad things happen(i.e data is/could be weaponized).
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