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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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I agree. But until then, what do you think the people should do?

Or rather, which system is more actionable for the local public, the answer to that is ofc the US, if you can't even get your own country to not spy on its citizens either through corporate espionage or through direct gov espionage, what hope do you hold of tangling with foreign countries to coerce them to also not spy? If anything it seems hypocrite to do that!

Sorry, I don't know which comment you are responding to.

Is there any concrete action that you think people can do?

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

#102

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

I look forward to the blazing success of "Just say no" to tick tok campaigns. Because people are so good with self control these days.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

For the biometrics part, yes: Instagram never used biometrics, or at least they didn’t until this week when they started using it for an age verification process, but even then there’s no collection of biometrics in regular usage. Facebook used faceprints until 2021, when they shut down those features under regulatory pressure, but even while the feature was active it was off by default rather than a condition of usi…

They did use a video ID to capture my face from different angles, but it stopped after a few weeks.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

#105

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> Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected. The important context here is we seem to be transitioning away from the era of kumbaya free market globalism into an era of tenser geopolitical rivalries and more conflict.

> Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected Correct, therefore far more attention ought be put to domestic corporate and government spying on the public because they have got a far stronger leverage over the public's mind than foreign companies whom do not Also, wouldn't it just be funny if Meta had some internal deals to acquire Tiktoks data? Lastly, if memory serves Tiktok m…

>> Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected

>> The important context here is we seem to be transitioning away from the era of kumbaya free market globalism into an era of tenser geopolitical rivalries and more conflict.

> Correct, therefore far more attention ought be put to domestic corporate and government spying on the public because they have got a far stronger leverage over the public's mind than foreign companies whom do not

You're missing the point, so I quoted the context again for emphasis.

To make it more explicit: the fact that US has leverage over Facebook means it's far less likely that Facebook's data collection will be used to attack US interests. That's why TikTok's collection is different, from the perspective of the US and allied countries.

You can make a pretty close personal analogy: I don't care as much if a close family member collects real time location data of my movements, because I trust they don't have incentives to use it in particular ways that are very harmful to me. I care a lot more if a personal or business rival collects the same data, because their incentive is to use it in the context of their rivalry to harm me or prevent me from achieving some of my goals.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

biometrics: Anything involving face scanning for any filter based stuff needs access to biometric data

words mentioned in the video: creating captions

location data: helping to recommend people near you, also ability to enforce laws based on regions

your contacts: this is something you give them permission to access. This is so you can connect with your friends who also setup TikToks. You do not have opt into this.

These are just the things I thought off the top of my head.

Does this mean China can't influence the populace? No. But the previous administration didn't think that external influence into elections was an issue. And the majority of Americans didn't seem to care, either. So you have at least one party that generally doesn't care. And don't pretend that FB doesn't matter. FB might be American, but it doesn't limit itself to only working with American companies.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

#107

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

#108

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China uses data from private industry to target and imprison undesirable ethnic and religious minorities at an unthinkable scale. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t... "China bad" is a casual way of dismissing these crimes, which I find to be quite repulsive.

> ...

> Yet something odd happened when Borden and Prater were booked into jail: A computer program spat out a score predicting the likelihood of each committing a future crime. Borden — who is black — was rated a high risk. Prater — who is white — was rated a low risk.

> Two years later, we know the computer algorithm got it exactly backward. Borden has not been charged with any new crimes. Prater is serving an eight-year prison term for subsequently breaking into a warehouse and stealing thousands of dollars’ worth of electronics.

> Scores like this — known as risk assessments — are increasingly common in courtrooms across the nation. They are used to inform decisions about who can be set free at every stage of the criminal justice system, from assigning bond amounts — as is the case in Fort Lauderdale — to even more fundamental decisions about defendants’ freedom. In Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin, the results of such assessments are given to judges during criminal sentencing.

> ...

You mean, algorithms such as these above right? If so, then yeah, I feel for them, just like I feel for the black demographics living under such distopia right now in supposed democratic countries

https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm... (2016)

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

#109
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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

> it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way

Like all US billionaires, then?

> Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but that fact is not necessarily true of all (or even most) Americans

The US government and ruling class doesn't see Meta as their adversary, even if it this the adversary of some Americans.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

It's TikTok. Funny jokes and dance videos. And they're collecting no more than American IT companies are doing. "I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewhat unknown purpose." Are you for real? The one country that fits the description of not-so-friendly military-complex is the U.S. itself. A more pressing problem and quest…

This comment makes it pretty clear you don't use tiktok or have a very clear understanding of its content. A huge portion of content is political, and especially divisive. People are constantly targeted with content that either reinforces or insults their more extreme political beliefs. This is exactly how personal data is being used against individuals - to target divisive political content and maximize political angst. It's clearly working.
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