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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by salt-thrower »

theplumber wrote: post #54

It's also worth to remember: "Facebook Inc. has been paying hundreds of outside contractors to transcribe clips of audio from users of its services" "Social network says it paused human review of conversations" So again my question is wtf is so big fuss about tiktok. We already knew about PRISM and that all the data goes to the government. It also goes to 3rd party contractors, advertisers and who knows who else... h…

I have the same take as you, and reading all these comments makes me feel like I’m on crazy pills.

Google and Meta apparently get a pass because they’re “American companies.” Even though we know that they collect personal data and manipulate people en masse as part of their core product offerings. And of course, through PRISM and other programs, the US govt has access to much of it.

I think people are just scared because now China is doing the same op, but more overtly.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by rglullis »

kube-system wrote: post #70
rglullis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different only in paper. The US also can put lot of pressure on the companies via TLAs.

The situation in the US is not without valid criticism , but it is not even close to comparable with the legal environment in China. The US has a judicial branch that frequently operates at odds against its own executive branch, by design.

For the people who end up with their data on a government database, this is a distinction without a difference.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by CyanBird »

hammock wrote: post #36
upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by AlexandrB »

kube-system wrote: post #75
theplumber wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> In the US is it normal and routine for corporations to dispute government demands. But we already know that's just somescreen and the U.S gov/NSA gets the data. Poor Snowden ruined his life for almost nothing.

The difference is that there is a non-zero amount of friction in the US. We also know that many companies in the US say “no” and have the legal ability to do it. For example, when the FBI asked Apple to unlock a phone for them, they said no, and they never did. In China, your company doesn’t say “no” because the CCP members forcibly installed on your company’s board always vote “yes”. And in fact, the CCP holds the i…

> The difference is that there is a non-zero amount of friction in the US.

This kind of statement should always end with "for now". Data lives forever, laws change. Just take a look at Roe v. Wade and how formerly benign data now has potential legal implications for users.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by mariodiana »

upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

I'm going to guess that the purpose is to use the data to eventually build life-like, AI-generated social media influencers. The data will show what kind of faces, voices, inflections, word choice, etc. is most influential. I don't think the technology is quite there yet, but very soon it will be possible, with a little hand tweaking, to fake "cool" people — video bots. It will be used as a psy-op.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by kube-system »

rglullis wrote: post #82
kube-system wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation in the US is not without valid criticism , but it is not even close to comparable with the legal environment in China. The US has a judicial branch that frequently operates at odds against its own executive branch, by design.

For the people who end up with their data on a government database, this is a distinction without a difference.

The likelihood of that data being there and the way it is used varies greatly between the two systems.

The reason you don’t see stories like this [0] in China, is because of this [1]

0: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/apple-refuses-barr-request-t...

1: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by orangepurple »

AlexandrB wrote: post #84
kube-system wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that there is a non-zero amount of friction in the US. We also know that many companies in the US say “no” and have the legal ability to do it. For example, when the FBI asked Apple to unlock a phone for them, they said no, and they never did. In China, your company doesn’t say “no” because the CCP members forcibly installed on your company’s board always vote “yes”. And in fact, the CCP holds the i…

> The difference is that there is a non-zero amount of friction in the US. This kind of statement should always end with "for now". Data lives forever, laws change. Just take a look at Roe v. Wade and how formerly benign data now has potential legal implications for users.

Thankfully we have a statute of limitations for many legal matters

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by Arrath »

mariodiana wrote: post #85
upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

I'm going to guess that the purpose is to use the data to eventually build life-like, AI-generated social media influencers. The data will show what kind of faces, voices, inflections, word choice, etc. is most influential. I don't think the technology is quite there yet, but very soon it will be possible, with a little hand tweaking, to fake "cool" people — video bots. It will be used as a psy-op.

Reminds me of the AI popstar/persona in Deus Ex 2.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by CyanBird »

tablespoon wrote: post #47
hammock wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

> Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected. The important context here is we seem to be transitioning away from the era of kumbaya free market globalism into an era of tenser geopolitical rivalries and more conflict.

> Who's doing the collecting often matters much more than what is actually collected

Correct, therefore far more attention ought be put to domestic corporate and government spying on the public because they have got a far stronger leverage over the public's mind than foreign companies whom do not

Also, wouldn't it just be funny if Meta had some internal deals to acquire Tiktoks data? Lastly, if memory serves Tiktok makes use of Oracle (approved US gov contractor) to handle US data, so this is already under scrutiny [1]

[1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-tiktok-nears-de...

So it might seem that the powers that be, wants us to be attentive regarding this deal

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by throwaway29812 »

rglullis wrote: post #67
kube-system wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a little bit different, because Meta operates in a much different legal environment. You give up a lot of control of your company to the CCP to operate in China, and if you don’t, you’re forced out of the market.

It's different only in paper. The US also can put lot of pressure on the companies via TLAs.

Has the US Gov utilized data from private companies to aid in the targeting and internment of their own citizens ? https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t...
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