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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Or maybe we should just support and adopt open source alternatives, so that the rest of the world doesn't get stuck into pointless geopolitical disputes?

The license of the source code has little to no relevance on data privacy concerns, whether state or private.

How can Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok track me or my users, from my Germany-hosted servers?

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Trump tried to ban it in 2020 out of "national security concerns" similar to Huawei. The ACLU and media painted it as anti free speech and xenophobia and never gave the claims any serious scrutiny. > On July 7, 2020, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced that the government was considering banning TikTok.[26] In response, experts[weasel words] suggested that Trump's proposed TikTok ban may threaten free speec…

If we're deciding the government has the ability to shut down social media apps for "national security", I want some seriously beefy protections in there to prevent abuse. That slope is genuinely for-real dangerously slippery, and scares me 100x more than the scary stuff TikTok is doing now. The ban was right to be challenged--if Trump could legally justify it, let him do that in court. And if he couldn't, there's pr…

It's not a slippery slope to ban a foreign survelliance app made by an adversary. Freedom of speech in the US applies only to the US citizens.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

>I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewhat unknown purpose.

Because it provides a very convenient back door for our three letter agencies? Speculation, but the data that True the Vote was able to simply purchase on the open market legally was pretty shocking in its detail. What's to prevent our government from doing that? They haven't respected the 4th amendment for decades.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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The license of the source code has little to no relevance on data privacy concerns, whether state or private.

How can Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok track me or my users, from my Germany-hosted servers?

They can't, but the reason has nothing to do with software license. You can write proprietary software and Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok still can't get your data. And Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok use plenty of FOSS software to run their platforms.

The privacy of your data is more impacted by where it is and who controls it, not the copyright license of the software that moves it around

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

Is this collection different from, say, Meta? I believe they collect all the same information via Instagram. And before someone says Meta is an American company, not controlled by an adversary, let me recall that it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way (“democracy hacking” as another commenter said). Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but t…

No, it’s not different.

That’s why Meta is blocked in the PRC.

The west should do the same for TikTok.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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The U.S would not put trade barriers to China for that incident in India (why India doesn't join U.S's sanctions on Russia now?) or for putting muslims in camps. Although not being the same thing I've seen children put in cages against their will on U.S soil so I'm pretty sure it could stomach some reeducation camps in China given the terrorism issues. U.S bombed Iraq unprovoked. Here we have the old money and power…

I think we should prohibit the state owned social media app which is mass collecting biometric markers for a state which is actively rounding up Muslims and putting them in camps. I think if you want to petition for good things in other areas, that's great, but please don't stop the people currently doing good now with whataboutism.

It's no whataboutism. You make a big fuss about tiktok but meta owned apps are just as bad. The Muslim camps is just a laughable pretext. If the U.S would care so much about poor muslims, especially muslim women around the world they would not have left Afghanistan in such a hurry...

As far as I'm concered I would ban all these spyware apps, chinese and american alike. They are pure spyware and bad for our health and for democracy.

People should own their data, and their devices.

I'm glad that TikTok is chinese. It raises some important questions about appstores, privacy and data ownership.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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How can Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok track me or my users, from my Germany-hosted servers?

They can't, but the reason has nothing to do with software license. You can write proprietary software and Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok still can't get your data. And Google/Facebook/Twitter/Apple/TikTok use plenty of FOSS software to run their platforms. The privacy of your data is more impacted by where it is and who controls it, not the copyright license of the software that moves it around

You seem to be very good at pontificating while completely missing the overall point.

Of course the software license is not related directly with privacy and access control. But there is no way that a private company will be able to offer a global social network while keeping user privacy a priority. The moment that any single company becomes big enough, they will either exploit the data for their own benefit (like Google/Apple/Meta/Microsoft/Amazon) or they will be pushed into it by some government.

Our best alternative is to have not to trust any particular company, but to use federated/distributed services, and the easiest way to have that is by ensuring that we are supporting and adopting open standards and open source systems that can be hosted by many different players.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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I think we should prohibit the state owned social media app which is mass collecting biometric markers for a state which is actively rounding up Muslims and putting them in camps. I think if you want to petition for good things in other areas, that's great, but please don't stop the people currently doing good now with whataboutism.

It's no whataboutism. You make a big fuss about tiktok but meta owned apps are just as bad. The Muslim camps is just a laughable pretext. If the U.S would care so much about poor muslims, especially muslim women around the world they would not have left Afghanistan in such a hurry... As far as I'm concered I would ban all these spyware apps, chinese and american alike. They are pure spyware and bad for our health and…

Ok, let's start with banning tik tok.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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"Yes but what about the US Government?" is not an actual response to concerns about Tiktok, it's a lazy attempt at deflection and distraction. And the US Government doesn't use private sector data to round up and imprison their citizens in concentration camps. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surve...

I don't answer to concerns about TikTok because I don't think there are any, and so I instead point to the ever-present elephant in the IT security discussion room. And as for the US Government and concentration camp, maybe they don't use private sector data for that, but they sure do it based on ethnicity and origins, such as Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WW2, and South American children and their…

The original post above framed the issue from a national-security angle.

Whether "this side" is-doing/has-done it as well is an orthogonal concern, i.e. not pertinent here. We have a small but non-zero ability to affect change on our side.

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