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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by simion314 »

kube-system wrote: post #70
rglullis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different only in paper. The US also can put lot of pressure on the companies via TLAs.

The situation in the US is not without valid criticism , but it is not even close to comparable with the legal environment in China. The US has a judicial branch that frequently operates at odds against its own executive branch, by design.

>The US has a judicial branch that frequently operates at odds against its own executive branch, by design.

Maybe if you are from US, if you are not from US you have no rights, US gov can spy on you, or even kill you without any legal consequences because it will be legal from US POV

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by colpabar »

generj wrote: post #148
hammock wrote: post #138

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Part of the reason Zuck Bucks are viewed as partisan is because of the way in which they ended up being deployed. >On average, Biden counties received $2.85 per vote, compared to Trump counties that only received $0.89. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10090603/Mark-Zucke...

But couldn’t that simply be explained by GOP counties applying for less aid? So long as every county could receive funds equally, the fact some received less isn’t at all damning.

So if someone like elon musk or peter theil did something like this, they gave $419 million to a bunch of red states all while aggressively promoting trump, would you still claim it's "not damning"?

This is an example of an extremely wealthy person influencing an election, plain and simple. It's odd to me that we're all just supposed to be ok with it.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by hellomyguys »

wiz21c wrote: post #35

Is there someone here that work at TikTok who could explain how collecting such that brings any value to TikTok. That's an honest question. I understand that we're being tracked with cookies, email address, FB/Google accounts. But the biometric stuff, what is it for ? It seems very disproportionate to me if it's just for advertising.

They've built the best personalized content algorithm by collecting mass amounts of data and fingerprinting and indexing everything you can from a video.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by L0stRegulator »

throwaway29812 wrote: post #92
CyanBird wrote: post #83

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China uses data from private industry to target and imprison undesirable ethnic and religious minorities at an unthinkable scale. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t... "China bad" is a casual way of dismissing these crimes, which I find to be quite repulsive.

TikTok doesn't operate in China. All TikTok data is stored either in the USA or Singapore. There's a Dublin data center underway.

Douyin is the original TikTok. It operates exclusively in China and all it's data is in China.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by secfirstmd »

mrweasel wrote: post #129
PontifexMinimus wrote: post #109

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> it’s controlled by Zuckerberg who spent $419 million to influence US election administration in a seemingly partisan way Like all US billionaires, then? > Meta may not be YOUR adversary, but that fact is not necessarily true of all (or even most) Americans The US government and ruling class doesn't see Meta as their adversary, even if it this the adversary of some Americans.

There’s also the small issue that many of us aren’t Americans, so if offers little comfort that Meta is an American company.

Cough...PRISM...Cough

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by [deleted] »

upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by theplumber »

vorpalhex wrote: post #150
salt-thrower wrote: post #81

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I have the same take as you, and reading all these comments makes me feel like I’m on crazy pills. Google and Meta apparently get a pass because they’re “American companies.” Even though we know that they collect personal data and manipulate people en masse as part of their core product offerings. And of course, through PRISM and other programs, the US govt has access to much of it. I think people are just scared bec…

It might be that China is rounding up Muslims and oh, I don't know, putting them in camps against their will? Maybe just a skosh? Or that time China shot at several Indian soldiers and killed a few?

The U.S would not put trade barriers to China for that incident in India (why India doesn't join U.S's sanctions on Russia now?) or for putting muslims in camps.

Although not being the same thing I've seen children put in cages against their will on U.S soil so I'm pretty sure it could stomach some reeducation camps in China given the terrorism issues.

U.S bombed Iraq unprovoked.

Here we have the old money and power game. U.S finally realised that it fed a communist state that has imperialist ideas and may challenge its power in Asia.

I would like this rivality to produce a more fair system for the world: secure devices, secure communication, open protocols with privacy built in etc instead of these appstores bans, obfuscation and demonization of the "enemy".

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by solar-ice »

colpabar wrote: post #162
generj wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But couldn’t that simply be explained by GOP counties applying for less aid? So long as every county could receive funds equally, the fact some received less isn’t at all damning.

So if someone like elon musk or peter theil did something like this, they gave $419 million to a bunch of red states all while aggressively promoting trump, would you still claim it's "not damning"? This is an example of an extremely wealthy person influencing an election, plain and simple. It's odd to me that we're all just supposed to be ok with it.

Are there stories of red counties applying for the money and not getting it? Or perhaps it was only marketed towards Dems?

What’s the argument as to what happened here?

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by driverdan »

hammock wrote: post #138
generj wrote: post #132

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Expanding and insuring ballot box access shouldn’t be considered partisan. That it is represents a failure in whatever party seeks to restrict voting.

Part of the reason Zuck Bucks are viewed as partisan is because of the way in which they ended up being deployed. >On average, Biden counties received $2.85 per vote, compared to Trump counties that only received $0.89. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10090603/Mark-Zucke...

Correlation is not causation and Daily Mail is trash.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by Sebb767 »

kube-system wrote: post #75
theplumber wrote: post #57

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>> In the US is it normal and routine for corporations to dispute government demands. But we already know that's just somescreen and the U.S gov/NSA gets the data. Poor Snowden ruined his life for almost nothing.

The difference is that there is a non-zero amount of friction in the US. We also know that many companies in the US say “no” and have the legal ability to do it. For example, when the FBI asked Apple to unlock a phone for them, they said no, and they never did. In China, your company doesn’t say “no” because the CCP members forcibly installed on your company’s board always vote “yes”. And in fact, the CCP holds the i…

Companies don't deploy warrant canaries[0] just for fun. Lavabit[1] was also US based and shut down without the ability to defend itself thanks to a gag order. It might not be just as bad as China, but secret data extraction is definitely not exclusive to them.

And, since you mentioned

> And in fact, the CCP holds the iCloud keys for all Chinese iCloud users.

Quoting from [1]:

> The court records show that the FBI sought Lavabit's Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) private key. Levison objected, saying that the key would allow the government to access communications by all 400,000 customers of Lavabit. He also offered to add code to his servers that would provide the information required just for the target of the order. The court rejected this offer

(I'm well aware that Levinson wasn't a halo figure, either. But that's beside the point)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit#Suspension_and_gag_ord...

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