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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by etatoby »

Applejinx wrote: post #11
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

Thank you, very informative.

Here's an idea: if you want to drive home the point that you don't do it for the ad money, and if you want to force yourself not to depend on that money, you could give it all to FOSS foundations.

You could publish your YouTube check every month, as small as it may be, on your blog or website, alongside an equivalent donation to, say, the FSF, Mozilla, Wikimedia, Archive.org, Blender, EFF, or whatever foundation you like.

If you publicize it on YouTube and here, you may even start a movement of sorts.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by krolley »

etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

This is a totally fair point. But wouldn't it make more sense to either (a) continue to pay the hosting costs to stay known as the 'one true place' to find online videos, or (b) allow the Blender Foundation to pay to host their vidoes on YouTube if they want to stay ad-free?

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Post by JetSpiegel »

cvwright wrote: post #172
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #161

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Sure, its clear to you and I. But we on HN aren't whom you have to convince. Do you believe the US DOJ or more powerful states would go after Alphabet/google? That's the ones that count. I just can't see our current administration going that avenue.

Yeah I don't know. With this administration, anything is possible. There's lots of bad blood between silicon valley progressives and the Trump admin, too.

Silicon Valley progressives? Are you talking about RMS or something?

Are (American) liberals automatically progressive even if they collude to lower salaries, pay less taxes, and contribute to housing bubbles? Not to mention selling to the DoD and ICE.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by CamperBob2 »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #288
CamperBob2 wrote: post #275

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More to the point, why don't they go ahead and permit those of us who are paying them -- i.e., YouTube Red subscribers -- to view the blocked videos?

I suspect that that would not result in sufficient revenue to offset the costs of hosting Blender's videos.

And that would be my problem because...?

If they need to charge more, then they should charge more. YT Red is arguably too cheap.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by executesorder66 »

scottmcdot wrote: post #193
andypants wrote: post #152

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Each instance of peertube is like youtube. There can be many users and users can have many channels. You can choose which instance you want to upload to, since different instances will have different storage limits, user limits, content policies, content focus, moderation, site layout, etc. Or you can run your own instance if you want full control over your content and the site as a whole. Different instances of peer…

I see, thanks for the clarification. When it came to searching for all content across all instances (in a way like how we can search all content on YouTube) is this something that would be possible?

According to [0]:

> The administrators of a PeerTube instance can follow each other. When your PeerTube instance follows another PeerTube instance, you receive the videos preview informations from this instance. This way, you can display the videos available on your instance and on the instances you decided to follow. So you keep control of the videos displayed on your PeerTube instance!

[0] https://joinpeertube.org/en/

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by JetSpiegel »

samschooler wrote: post #23
jgtrosh wrote: post #19

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I think that the single search box with consistent UX is the killer feature. Subscription is too, in another way. Alternatives need to address these; I believe federated video services / toobs are the only way to aim for the first. Subscriptions should be replaced with RSS.

I stopped using the YouTube site long ago. I only subscribe via Feedly/RSS and watch the videos I want directly with 99% no ads even without an adblocker via the embeded video player.

You can also use a local podcatcher like gPodder to automatically download the videos.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by nctorn »

etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

Those popular channels, is what drives customer acquisition and stickiness at YouTube. The costs associated to this are simply marketing costs, so I think it’s just greedy to charge your content providers to drive down the retention and acquisition costs.

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Post by Endy »

bad_user wrote: post #297
codelord wrote: post #281

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What is terrifying about this? Why should Google pay for hosting and distributing your video online forever without making any money? How's that "evil"?

Because they allowed it until now and it's been years since. Changing their policies now hurts non-profit organizations like the Blender Foundation and is in effect a bait and switch . Google is using at this point its monopoly to coerce their partners and users into accepting whatever the heck they want. Personally I don't understand them. This is clearly about a very popular channel that is bringing them eyeballs.…

>Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time.

Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.

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Post by JetSpiegel »

xuki wrote: post #228
ChuckMcM wrote: post #225

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Not hyperbole. I really do think Google will start charging for that at some point in the next 5 years.

Good luck with that when Apple offer the same thing for free on iOS.

And FLOSS on OsmAnd

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by voltagex_ »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
lainga wrote: post #13

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Well, they picked the wrong org to gamble on strongarming in the case of Blender. Instead of getting them to monetize they've just compelled Blender to move platforms.

Blender serves as an optimal test case for other large non-profits with online video content that Google may push off YouTube (would love to see PyCon move their archives off as well). Discovery and subscriptions will need to be solved, but that’s not insurmountable (ie RSS). CDNs can be plug and play in front of nginx (if P2P torrent isn't your cup of tea), backend storage can be whatever is cheapest.

I really want a competitor to YouTube. But when it works, the experience as a user is Really Good (tm).

1. YouTube Red so I don't have to see ads

2. Queuing and casting from my phone to my TV.

3. Fast loading and buffer-free streaming (as long as your bandwidth is good enough). Note I'm in Australia - Mixer and Twitch often aren't smooth for me even though I'm on 100 megabit fibre. Sydney or Melbourne PoPs will beat Hong Kong and Singapore every time.

I watch Pycon and LCA videos on YouTube because it's easier than going anywhere else.

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