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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by isostatic »

ohiovr wrote: post #125

YouPHPtube could be a nice option for the Blender Foundation if they don't mind paying for their bandwidth usage. It is pretty easy to install (the hard way). I'm going to make a docker container for it and the encoder sometime. One advantage is that it can use amazon s3 storage and there are instructions for setting up live streaming. AFAIK, peer tube doesn't have a live stream capability (though I realize that the…

I was interested. Then I looked at github

> This Software must be used for Good, never Evil. It is expressly forbidden to use YouPHPTube to build porn sites, violence, racism or anything else that affects human integrity or denigrates the image of anyone.

Sigh.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by andypants »

scottmcdot wrote: post #150

Correct me if I am wrong, but if content creators take their content off YouTube and use PeerTube, does this mean that there will be separate instances of PeerTube (e.g., video.blender.org) for each channel/creator? Another example could be if ol' Pewds decided to also do this - would his content be hosted on something like video.pewdiepie.org?

Each instance of peertube is like youtube. There can be many users and users can have many channels. You can choose which instance you want to upload to, since different instances will have different storage limits, user limits, content policies, content focus, moderation, site layout, etc. Or you can run your own instance if you want full control over your content and the site as a whole.

Different instances of peertube can follow each other (doesn't have to be mutual - think twitter follow) and essentially share content to improve discoverability (think twitter timeline showing content from all the instances you follow).

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by lackbeard »

andai wrote: post #87
laken wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funnily enough, PewDiePie is no longer on YouTube's good-side, and virtually all of his newly uploaded videos get demonetized by YouTube. He's no longer "advertiser-friendly"

Why am I hearing this about almost everyone I watch? Isn't that a lose-lose-lose for creators, YouTube and advertisers?

Is it possibly because you're a nerd, and the internet is no longer for nerds? It's now a platform for mass consumerism, and what interests the masses, and is thus good for advertisers probably shares little overlap with your interests?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by lackbeard »

Skunkleton wrote: post #105
andai wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why am I hearing this about almost everyone I watch? Isn't that a lose-lose-lose for creators, YouTube and advertisers?

It is likely that PewDiePie has a negative enough image that YouTube believes that associating a given brand with his content will not generate ROI for the advertisers. By demonetizing these videos 1) the advertisers win because their ads are shown more frequently in "profitable" spots, 2) YouTube wins because they build trust with their advertisers, and 3) YouTube wins again because they don't have to pay out to the…

PewDiePie viewers aren't profitable to advertisers?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by orbitur »

magicalist wrote: post #89
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

> So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. But that doesn't seem to make sense. There are lots of popular channels that don't have advertising and Blender's videos are popular but not that popular. Their blogpost about it is here: https://www.blender.org/media-exposure/youtube-blocks-blende... I haven't looked at the contract they posted, but…

> There are lots of popular channels that don't have advertising and Blender's videos are popular but not that popular.

It makes sense if it's staged rollout. I'm assuming all unmonetized good actors (ie not stealing other people's content) will see this ultimatum eventually.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by burnte »

beiller wrote: post #78

Blender is the epic example of free software slowly eventually eating the big proprietary guys' lunch. Volunteers spending countless hours writing software, because they were fed up with the very high pricing point of the alternatives (Maya, 3DS). Now hopefully they can kick off the eating of large internet incumbents like Youtube, maybe using some decentralized free video sharing like PeerTube. I love watching blend…

Remember that Blender started as proprietary software created by a Dutch company. The software was close source from its inception until 2002 when the parent company went bankrupt and the creator started a crowdfunding campaign to buy and open the source from the holding company's liquidation sale.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by yayana »

JackCh wrote: post #135
gmueckl wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will barely register as a blip for YouTube. They'll survive and be more profitable afterwards.

The hope for many, perhaps a vain one, is that negatively impacting technical organizations (open source projects or MIT's ability to host computer science course videos) will have a disproportionate effect on the developers of youtube who on average might care about about these sort of organizations more than others. It could hurt youtube developer morale and/or their ability to recruit.

More basically, I only see their ads because there are non-ad videos that draw me to the site and give me a reasonable average impression of the combination of content and ads I see. Remove non-ad videos from YouTube and you would need to cut ads down by 50% to retain viewers like me.. the lower split of sharing on all content and/or lower viewer numbers will further dustress people with ads enabled on their content.. pushing them further into a death spiral of low profitability, poor content and inadequate incentives for the commercial content they apparently want.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by cvwright »

Applejinx wrote: post #11
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

Eventually this is going to get them in trouble with the Sherman Antitrust Act.

From Wikipedia:

> "Innocent monopoly", or monopoly achieved solely by merit, is perfectly legal, but acts by a monopolist to artificially preserve that status, or nefarious dealings to create a monopoly, are not. The purpose of the Sherman Act is not to protect competitors from harm from legitimately successful businesses, nor to prevent businesses from gaining honest profits from consumers, but rather to preserve a competitive marketplace to protect consumers from abuses.

It's pretty clear that Google used their dominant position(s) in web search and web advertising to then dominate the user-generated video space. And now they're engaging in the type of abuse of customers that the Sherman Antitrust Act was designed to mitigate.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

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