I find it funny how some countries suddenly make your life a lot easier if you have a positive test history. Canada has a fairly annoying requirement to have a negative PCR test taken within 72h of takeoff (or arrival by car), which can be dicey/expensive in many parts of the world to get, but if you have a positive PCR result from 14-180 days, this requirement drops and travel gets a lot easier than those that never…
Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
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#292"If everyone who is so concerned about Đoković these days - including the media, Australia, Balkans & Đoković himself - was so much concerned by the torture of #Assange & refugees across the world, perhaps we would have something called freedom today." by Srećko Horvat ( https://twitter.com/HorvatSrecko/status/1480597836542660613 )
Authoritians are the ones who want censorship, no dissent and emergency powers that override human rights and informed consent.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#293The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...
This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…
- Datum uzorkovanja (Date of sampling): 22.12.2021 14:12:10
- Datum izdavanja rezultata (Date of issuance of results): 22.12.2021 16:15:49
=> I will ignore the time needed to get the actual swabs to the laboratory and do the necessary paperwork etc and round this to ~2 hours of time available for testing.
- Vrsta analize i proizvodjac testa (Type of analysis and test manufacturer): Real Time PCR test-SARS-CoV-2, , Sansure Biotech INC; Hunan Province
See, unless my fellow countrymen have developed a way to do PCR tests 5 times faster than the fastest tests available in the (rest) of the world, this test in itself is a joke. This is the reason PCR testing: costs, is usually indicated by symptoms already present/positive antigen test.
You're welcome.
Take care
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The timeline doesn't look good for him [..] There are scientists who state we're at the point where "we need to target the vulnerable" (rather than giving boosters to all over-12s) and that "there [is] no point in trying to stop all infections, and that at some point, society has to open up". Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, chairman of the [UK's] Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is one of them.
The point when society has to open up is when there is enough community immunity that removing mitigations doesn't cause healthcare shortages due to staff infections or resource constraints. That's after Paxlovid is readily available or vaccine mandates have driven up vaccination rates, not today.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't the thread suggest someone has fiddled the system on Djokovic's behalf? If that's the case then the centralized PCR verification system is nothing but a house of cards.
If a government wants to falsify information on that level everything is a house of cards. The Netherlands could make up 5000 ghost identities and issue them passports. How would passport control at JFK airport know?
and still not understand the messy nature of centralized dbs with no civilian oversight?
Of course intelligence agencies can issue new, edit, etc when convenient!
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#296The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...
This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…
Unfortunately, no data points from me, even though I have been tested MANY times due to my profession. They've got my email, so they obviously get generated immediately.
However, I do have a data point for screenshots when QR code of the positive test stated that the result was negative. This is something that happened to me as well (back in 2020, once, and never since then). It was a bug, obviously. The second part of the ID is person-specific (all my test results have that second part identical, regardless of when they were taken) - it seems that if a positive test is followed by a negative test, that happens sometimes.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
He got an exemption the Victoria state rules, this is the same as you getting a paper from Florida saying you can travel freely there and trying to enter the US based on that paper.
His exemption was a process provided by the Australian Open tournament. More than twenty people applied for it and only a handful got the exemption. The process they outlined was a blind process (those evaluating the applications did not know who the players were) and two stage. It's not like he tried to cheat the tournament or Australia with this. He was following a provided process. Note, this is separate from any…
"people are welcome in Australia. But if you're not double vaccinated and you're not an Australian resident or citizen, well, you can't come." - Australian PM Scott Morrison - 6th Jan https://www.pm.gov.au/media/press-conference-canberra-act-35
According to the ATAGI guidelines (which are not the border rules), previous covid infection is not a contraindication for vaccination, and as a temporary exemption vaccination can only be deferred by up to 6 months in the case of "acute major medical illness".
Apparently Tennis Australia was specifically told this by border patrol but they didn't pass that information on to the players. Probably everyone was too chicken to tell Novak.
On that note, I have no idea on what basis he was granted an exemption when he applied for his visa in November, given that he had not even been covid positive in the last 6 months (at that time, lol).
I have a bit of sympathy for Novak with the lack of concise communication but at the end of the day he wouldn't be the first person who has been irritated by bad government communication, or the first person to be turned away from a country because of confusing border rules.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on where you got tested in the US. States like NY, NJ, CA and others have mandatory reporting requirements, so test results get returned to the county or state DOH and are verifiable. The problem is at the state level, you have a lot of weird political stuff that influences what and how each state performs certain processes. There’s also a huge flow of travel from US to Israel, and lots of weird corner cases…
>States like NY, NJ, CA and others have mandatory reporting requirements, so test results get returned to the county or state DOH and are verifiable. Those states have no rapid tests? Nobody in those states can buy a test at CVS and take it at home?
Israel doesn’t accept some random traveler and his assertion of being COVID negative.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, Serbo-Croatian (technically Bosnian-Montenegrian-Croatian-Serbian) "K" for "koronavirus". The only difference between languages is Latin versus Cyrillic. Croatia, for example has its official coronavirus webpage as https://koronavirus.hr
> The only difference between languages is Latin versus Cyrillic. "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy" There are definitely more differences between the lexicon and grammar of those languages apart from the alphabet they are written with. Not very big differences, mind you. But ignoring them altogether or making them bigger than what they are enters the realm of politics. Anyway, the english wikipedia ar…
I am well aware of them: Croatian is not my native language. But, I learned it and I am conversational in the Shtokavian (Štokavian) dialect. I am Štokavski. This is the standard dialect of Croatian, in Croatia.
My family however were Čakavski. They spoke the Chakavian (Čakavian) dialect. They are from the islands of Croatia. Unfortunately, it is a dying dialect of Croatian that is Venetian in origin. It is not mutually intelligible with Štokavian, but everyone in Croatia seems fond of it.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#300"If everyone who is so concerned about Đoković these days - including the media, Australia, Balkans & Đoković himself - was so much concerned by the torture of #Assange & refugees across the world, perhaps we would have something called freedom today." by Srećko Horvat ( https://twitter.com/HorvatSrecko/status/1480597836542660613 )
Actually. Those of us who fight for Assange and freedom of journalism fight for freedom from Draconian covid policies as well. Authoritians are the ones who want censorship, no dissent and emergency powers that override human rights and informed consent.
I believe in personal freedom, but the limits of that are when it impacts on others personal freedom.
If someone dies of covid in hospital, they occupy a bed for about a month before dying.
A hospital has limited capacity. In my country, Australia, we have public health so everyone pays for that hospital capacity.
Vaccination reduces a persons risk of severe disease by 90%.
I got vaccinated to prevent myself and my family getting sick, and a nice side effect of that is that it also helps hospitals from running out of capacity, because I'm very unlikely to go to hospital should I be infected with covid.
It's insanely selfish and stupid to not get vaccinated.
I also think Assange should have been freed long ago, and I want journalistic freedom because the truth is the most important thing we have.