Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated? • Hacker News Board

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by passing_by_and » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

logifail wrote: post #245

oarsinsync wrote: post #244

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> Who cares? Covid is nothing for kids Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per week right now in the UK. EDIT: previously stated hospitalisations were per day rather than per week , corrected above.

> Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per day right now in the UK Hospitalised with Covid or due to Covid? Is there a public source for those figures? EDIT: the data at this link[0] doesn't seem to agree with your claim [0] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=...

There is a bit of data here -> https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas...

It is not directly helpful (or unhelpful) to your point or to the parent as data doesn't seem broken down in that way. However, in all these sorts of discussions it would be really great if things had context. So, for example (and sake of argument) if someone says 800 children per day were admitted, we had a comparison. Is it high, low? How about a rate per 100,000 comparison across other countries? Not asking for anyone to do this, merely attempting to articulate my point.

A bit of eyeball math shows 12 million people in UK under 16. Even if 800 a day was true...should I worry?

Anyhow, thank you for moving discussion forward.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #214

weinzierl wrote: post #201

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The Spiegel article [1] additionally claims (and supports with screenshots) that the 7371999-259039 certificate reported a negative result at a previous point in time. Unfortunately there is no way to verify that, but still: Any ideas how it could be explained? [1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-we...

They claim that they got both negative and positive results yesterday, which almost has to be user error or a software bug. Even if someone at the Serbian health agency had write access and were dedicated to helping Djokovic, why would they want to change the results a week after he landed in Australia? (A bad table join could easily cause this, although I'm not sure why that wouldn't have caused larger issues in Ser…

I received seven digital covid-related certificates in two countries so far. 5/7 had blatant errors in them. Wrong vaccine, wrong place, wrong birth date, typos in name, completely empty, typos in the template. I was able to get them retroactively corrected where needed (3/7) and in two cases, the errors corrected themselves. Nobody ever looks at these things.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by iamsaitam » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

"If everyone who is so concerned about Đoković these days - including the media, Australia, Balkans & Đoković himself - was so much concerned by the torture of #Assange & refugees across the world, perhaps we would have something called freedom today." by Srećko Horvat (https://twitter.com/HorvatSrecko/status/1480597836542660613)

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by sudosysgen » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

ls15 wrote: post #247

sudosysgen wrote: post #241

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You can't. You're asking for DRM for the information that you got a positive test. This is impossible. There is no way for what you're asking to be done, website or not - people can repeat and do whatever they want once you know your test status.

So we are back at the point were some medical details are essentially made public which leaves a bitter taste. I am not so sure that there is no way to protect that data at least to some extent. Most countries didn't even try, while some countries have at least systems in place that try to reduce the privacy impact. Will all these countries ever delete all this fine-grained contact tracing, testing and vaccine status…

Positive tests for infectious disease have always essentially been made public, yes. This is not new, it's been the case for over a century in most countries.

You have the right to know if you have been in contact with someone that has tested positive, and you have the right to tell other people.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by omegabravo » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

onphonenow wrote: post #204

giarc wrote: post #75

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It's only available since Djokovic provided the URL.... and lied about the dates it seems.

More likely it's a bunch of folks like yourself stirring up outrage where none exists. It's becoming a bit of a pattern. No actual look at reasonable explanation - just straight to the "he's lying" claims. Pathetic. The date a doc is downloaded has no bearing on when a test was taken.

The suspicion is around the id from the earlier test being higher than from the later test. I think it has merit and is worth further inquiry.

It could of course be explained by an administrative error where it had been re-issued.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by aspenmayer » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:12 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #228

aspenmayer wrote: post #224

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So new policy is to shoot the messenger, then?

When the messenger is spreading false information all the time, yeah, you shouldn't let them be a messenger anymore. I wasn't being hyperbolic: the vast majority of Twitter threads that I've seen make it to the HN frontpage, easily above 75%, are factually incorrect ragebait.

Sucks to be the fourth messenger then. Blanket bans would also block post by amazing Twitter users like foone.

It sounds like you just don’t like or use Twitter. Is that accurate?

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by omegabravo » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:18 PM UTC

desireco42 wrote: post #242

Look Nadal also broke the rules, he had Covid on 20-th and entered 31 December, and he was supposed to quarantine for 14 days, per Australian law and rules. This was never about the law and rules, it is just politicians wanted to make a show. I think it is embarrassment for whole Australia how the whole thing played out.

I checked the rules and they're more complicated than you give credit. If he had a negative test, he was allowed to travel.

The way it played out was poor, and few are impressed. We're still yet to find out fully what happened behind the scenes. A lot of misinformation is circulating.

https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/internation...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by wackro » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:28 PM UTC

samarama wrote: post #130

artursapek wrote: post #99

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If the vaccines don't prevent spread or contraction of the virus, why are people upset with him standing up against these pointless vaccine mandates?

Because boostered individuals have a drastically reduced infection risk by 80%. On top of they are 66% less infectious when being infected since they clear the virus twice as fast and 40% of their virus particles are dead. This gives them an overall reduced risk of infecting someone else by 93%. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266831v... https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19-vaccine-reduces-sev…

Thanks for the info and those links. There hasn't been nearly enough public information on _how_ jabs help. The rhetoric is always 'get jabbed because it protects health services', which despite being true, leaves a lot out. It also doesn't help that a lot of easily accessible information is contradictory and focuses on considering one's own heath rather than everyone's.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by boringg » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:41 PM UTC

Scarblac wrote: post #143

boringg wrote: post #87

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Opens are for amateurs - see the golf open tournaments as well. Its kind of like open enrollment

The tennis Grand Slams used to be for amateurs only (I think the Olympics were the same). Professionals used to be looked down on as selling out to money etc. Eventually tournaments became Open as they also allowed pros in.

My bad I thought the opens were amateur and professionals. I.e. giving the amateurs a chance to take on the pros.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by boringg » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:42 PM UTC

neither_color wrote: post #103

boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

I agree he shouldn't get a pass but for different reasons. If the wealthy can get exempted from onerous burdens like quarantining or waiting 3 weeks + 14 days to become vaccinated then they will never remove that burden for the rest of us.

Which wealthy are you speaking of? I haven't heard of wealthy people getting this kind of treatment...