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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by nikcub »

samwillis wrote: post #200
perakojotgenije wrote: post #185

"Absolutely wrong. Timestamp is the time of pdf download. Everytime you repeat the process timestamp will change. Difference in confirmation code is because he used 2 different state labs on 16th and 22nd. Very poor analysis, I have to conclude."[1] "You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit. He and his family have enough influence…

I believe the “confirmation code” that’s higher for 16th than the 22nd test is still suspicious though. 16th: 7371999-259039 22nd: 7320919-259039 Does anyone have an explanation of how that code works. Could it have been related to a manufacturing batch of tests that’s been used out of order? Those of you here with test results how does that code relate to your testing date?

I wouldn't have bet a public accusation of this magnitude on those auto-incrementing ID's. There's a possibility the earlier positive test was conducted privately and was only registered with the government at a later date when he knew it would be required for visa purposes.

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Post by aix1 »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #236
kklisura wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He received the PCR test results within 7 hours on the 16th. https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1480448426332413953

It says results were issued / ready, not that he received it. And given they were ready at 8pm it’s quite possible that the guy that makes Djokovics mail account was long gone. It may even have landed in the Spam folder if he is using Gmail (happened to me once).

C'mon, we're all adults here (and so is he). The "dog ate my homework" defense doesn't really cut it among grown-ups.

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Post by aix1 »

shtopointo wrote: post #230
ArnoNym wrote: post #153

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If he delegates that declaration he still is responsible. That's the normal and perfect consequence of the concept of legal representation. You cannot just hand your duty over to others and then get away with anything. And honestly if there is one thing he must have known, regardless how many overpaid aids he employed, that is whether his test actually came back positive. So the struggle involves him rightly, not the…

well if you go to the doctor and they mess up their timestamps or results, are you liable?

I am not sure how this applies in Djokovic's case? He isn't claiming that there are errors (made by others) in any of the papers he has provided, or is he?

P.S. But either way, of course it's he who is ultimately responsible, in the same way I'm responsible for the contents of my tax return, regardless of who prepares or files it on my behalf.

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

ArnoNym wrote: post #234
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #105

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Martin Luther King, Jr.'s comment in his famous letter from Birmingham Jail: "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." It's up to ever single individual to interpret what is just and what is unjust, with all its consequences. I, personally, find that the restriction is stupid, doesn't bring any benefit, and would have no…

The tricky part is how to identify what is an unjust law. If each individual is free to make that decision and not bound, that is the absence of a state, that is called anarchy. The consequence is not freedom, because those who have power will rule anyway. Therefore in a democracy the power to determine what is just is vested in the legislator and the power to apply those laws is vested in a government that responds…

I agree with you, but it’s not either or. You don’t need to drop the whole system just because you find some parts of are unjust. Opposing, ignoring and fighting nonsense is the way to go, because the rules change only when something previously illegal becomes socially and morally acceptable. That’s how we got cannabis legalisation and same sex marriage.

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Post by mmastrac »

pgalvin wrote: post #243
mmastrac wrote: post #29

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Speaking only from my pre-Omicron experience, even mild breakthrough COVID was no joke. I spent a month extremely tired, was prescribed a steroid inhaler and only now feel about 95% back to normal (about a month later). Choice 2 is valid, yes, but unless Omicron is much, much more mild for most people I wouldn't make that choice for myself. Luckily I got an official PCR test confirming positivity at the very end of m…

Out of curiosity, are you in an at-risk group (age, health, etc.)? No need to disclose specifics, if you’re happy to answer.

Not at-risk by any means, but it was a terrible experience. Worse than any flu I've had. I think that it would have been very serious if I didn't have two shots in me.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

logifail wrote: post #246
aix1 wrote: post #196

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The timeline doesn't look good for him regardless of which theory is correct: https://www.bbc.com/news/59939122

> The timeline doesn't look good for him [..] There are scientists who state we're at the point where "we need to target the vulnerable" (rather than giving boosters to all over-12s) and that "there [is] no point in trying to stop all infections, and that at some point, society has to open up". Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, chairman of the [UK's] Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is one of them.

The point when society has to open up is when there is enough community immunity that removing mitigations doesn't cause healthcare shortages due to staff infections or resource constraints. That's after Paxlovid is readily available or vaccine mandates have driven up vaccination rates, not today.

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Post by oarsinsync »

logifail wrote: post #245
oarsinsync wrote: post #244

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> Who cares? Covid is nothing for kids Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per week right now in the UK. EDIT: previously stated hospitalisations were per day rather than per week , corrected above.

> Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per day right now in the UK Hospitalised with Covid or due to Covid? Is there a public source for those figures? EDIT: the data at this link[0] doesn't seem to agree with your claim [0] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=...

Agreed, I miswrote per day when I should have written per week. I have edited and corrected above. Thanks!

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Post by colinjoy »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #77
tppiotrowski wrote: post #9

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OP might think it's funny because it appears beneficial to seek an infection despite all guidance to avoid it.

That's precisely what Herr Drosten, German top virologist and a member of state anti-Covid team suggested, to get infected after second shot to get a permanent immunity with a low-risk profile. Unfortunately, Germany bought too many vaccines, and they need to use them all to be able to buy even more.

Claiming that some scientist or study stated something or other is not useful unless context is provided. At least it should be clear when it was said, since the position of science is subject to change as new data is available or the situation changes.

The quote that you probably refer to, is this one, from 3 Sep 2021 (translation by deepl):

"My goal as a virologist Drosten how I would like to become immune now is: I want to have a vaccine immunity and then saddling on top of that I definitely want to have my first general infection and the second and the third at some point. I have resigned myself to that for a long time. And then I know, I'm immune for a really long time and I'll only see this virus every few years, just like I see the other coronaviruses every now and then. As a relatively healthy adult, I can take responsibility for that. There are other populations that can't. But I can only answer for myself, for my own health, because I am now twice vaccinated. And I have to admit, I would also like to be vaccinated a third time."

On 9 Nov 2021, he's on the record with this (translation by deepl):

"One can debate whether one has grasped this correctly at the beginning. I think that the plan to work with two doses at the beginning was correct. Because what changed here was the virus. But now we just have to acknowledge, the vaccine is not specifically targeted to the delta virus, but to a virus that is not even circulating today. The virus has changed."

So definitely a preference for more than 2 shots and not suggesting that anyone do this, other than he himself, personally, given his specific risk profile. Is his stance on delta equally valid in light of the new omicron variant? Maybe, maybe not?

--- source: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/coronaskript174.pdf

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Post by pvaldes »

logifail wrote: post #155
Anthony-G wrote: post #134

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They don’t prevent the spread or contraction of the virus but they reduce the transmission period and greatly reduce the severity of the disease if a fully vaccinated person contracts Covid-19. They may not be a panacea but they’re a very useful tool in dealing with Covid-19 and keeping people out of hospital unnecessarily.

> keeping people out of hospital Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid?

> Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid?

Yes, of course, more than a thousand of children and young adults in their prime died just in US.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adult...

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