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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by sudosysgen »

ls15 wrote: post #240
sudosysgen wrote: post #182

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But only if you decide to give them access. By default no one except you and the professionals who work in testing have access. Also positive test information for infectious diseases can always be expected to be disseminated.

How can you use the certificates without giving people access. Why aren't these people authenticated before they can access the data, so it can be traced back? Which measures are implemented in order to protect the data from abuse? I have a vaccine cert that works like this. How do I know that none of the countless people who had access to that by now did not leak the data into some ad tech database or are using it f…

You can't. You're asking for DRM for the information that you got a positive test. This is impossible. There is no way for what you're asking to be done, website or not - people can repeat and do whatever they want once you know your test status.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by desireco42 »

Look Nadal also broke the rules, he had Covid on 20-th and entered 31 December, and he was supposed to quarantine for 14 days, per Australian law and rules.

This was never about the law and rules, it is just politicians wanted to make a show. I think it is embarrassment for whole Australia how the whole thing played out.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by pgalvin »

mmastrac wrote: post #29
horsawlarway wrote: post #22

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Sure, and in isolation, it's even a reasonable guideline. The issue is that combined with most of the other covid guidance, the incentives are misaligned. The choices become 1. Follow the majority guidance, wear masks, avoid large gatherings, get vaccinated, get tested often. In which case you will have to continue paying for testing to travel (and risk not being able to travel at the last minute) OR... 2. Intentiona…

Speaking only from my pre-Omicron experience, even mild breakthrough COVID was no joke. I spent a month extremely tired, was prescribed a steroid inhaler and only now feel about 95% back to normal (about a month later). Choice 2 is valid, yes, but unless Omicron is much, much more mild for most people I wouldn't make that choice for myself. Luckily I got an official PCR test confirming positivity at the very end of m…

Out of curiosity, are you in an at-risk group (age, health, etc.)? No need to disclose specifics, if you’re happy to answer.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by oarsinsync »

polote wrote: post #174
grujicd wrote: post #125

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This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

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> Who cares? Covid is nothing for kids

Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per week right now in the UK.

EDIT: previously stated hospitalisations were per day rather than per week, corrected above.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by logifail »

oarsinsync wrote: post #244
polote wrote: post #174

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> Who cares? Covid is nothing for kids Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per week right now in the UK. EDIT: previously stated hospitalisations were per day rather than per week , corrected above.

> Over 800 children (aged 0-12, more than half aged 0-5) being hospitalised per day right now in the UK

Hospitalised with Covid or due to Covid?

Is there a public source for those figures?

EDIT: the data at this link[0] doesn't seem to agree with your claim

[0] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by logifail »

aix1 wrote: post #196
hanoz wrote: post #170

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Meanwhile let's all accuse him of being a dirty cheat no matter how implausible such a potentially ruinous fraud on its inevitable discovery. After all the man is guilty of covid wrongthink, so who knows what depths he'd sink to.

The timeline doesn't look good for him regardless of which theory is correct: https://www.bbc.com/news/59939122

> The timeline doesn't look good for him [..]

There are scientists who state we're at the point where "we need to target the vulnerable" (rather than giving boosters to all over-12s) and that "there [is] no point in trying to stop all infections, and that at some point, society has to open up".

Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, chairman of the [UK's] Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is one of them.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #241
ls15 wrote: post #240

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How can you use the certificates without giving people access. Why aren't these people authenticated before they can access the data, so it can be traced back? Which measures are implemented in order to protect the data from abuse? I have a vaccine cert that works like this. How do I know that none of the countless people who had access to that by now did not leak the data into some ad tech database or are using it f…

You can't. You're asking for DRM for the information that you got a positive test. This is impossible. There is no way for what you're asking to be done, website or not - people can repeat and do whatever they want once you know your test status.

So we are back at the point were some medical details are essentially made public which leaves a bitter taste. I am not so sure that there is no way to protect that data at least to some extent.

Most countries didn't even try, while some countries have at least systems in place that try to reduce the privacy impact. Will all these countries ever delete all this fine-grained contact tracing, testing and vaccine status data? Of course not.

In Germany it just made the news that police was unlawfully accessing contact tracing data.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by logifail »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #126
renaudg wrote: post #101

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Not just Serbia : EU countries have implemented an interoperable vaccination/testing certificate system that relies on digital signatures. https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...

But Serbia's system seems flawed, the EU system has all the data encoded in the QR-code, including name, the date the test was performed, the sort of test (PCR or antigen), and the result, plus a digital signature to prevent changing of those fields. And the QR code is given to the person and is static. The app that checks it checks that the document hasn't been modified by verifying the digital signature. What Serbi…

> But Serbia's system seems flawed, the EU system has all the data encoded in the QR-code, including name, the date the test was performed, the sort of test (PCR or antigen), and the result, plus a digital signature to prevent changing of those fields

(I'm in the EU): I can get a free "gargle" PCR test - either via walk-up test centre or via collect/test-at-home/drop-sample-in-collection box any time I want here, and in both cases there is zero verification that the sample I provide for the test actually came from my mouth.

If you have a friend who is Covid19 positive, it would be trivial to get yourself a positive result.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by jgwil2 »

dang wrote: post #179
hacka22 wrote: post #2

Thread in English: https://twitter.com/zerforschung/status/1480924205352996870

Changed from https://twitter.com/zerforschung/status/1480919124117274625 . We have the deepest respect for the German language, but HN is an English language site and posts here need to be in English. It's hard enough to get people to read the articles even when they are.

If that's a hard requirement, you should consider adding it to the guidelines because it is currently undocumented.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by notahacker »

mfer wrote: post #217
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #193

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> Whose fault is it if the tournament didn't put a process together that worked properly with the government? Djokovic may have a claim against the Australian Open for wasting time and causing inconvenience. That doesn't mean Canberra must grant him a visa. And it is in no way an excuse for submitting falsified documents (if he did that, which is far from proven) to Canberra and her courts.

If he is singled out while the others who successfully went through this process are not wouldn't it should some form of prejudice? Targeting a high profile player to show that a politician in more powerful, or something like that? The dynamics here are interesting, too.

I assume others who claimed medical exemptions aren't prominent antivaxxers whose request for a medical exemption from completing a course of vaccinations (recommended spacing between doses >21 days) on the basis he was unable to because of a COVID infection less than 21 days before his flight is pretty absurd (even assuming the tests are valid and he answered all visa applications questions truthfully).

Just because the public outcry might have prompted politicians to intervene doesn't mean they were wrong to do so

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