It looks like Novax Djokovid decided to play Pennis at the Australian court.
Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#222With Djokovich, nothing seems straightforward. This pales in front of A-A-ron.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…
Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…
I have 2 more datapoints. My wife went with me to the testing on the same date. If you're negative on rapid test, they usually take PCR as well. Since she was negative on the first one, there was a PCR too. These are her QR urls:
Rapid test:
https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=16415703349MJ...
Timestamp: 1641570334, time: GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 15:45:34
PCR:
https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641924832NyL...
Timestamp: 1641924832, time: GMT: Tuesday, 11. January 2022. 18:13:52
I downloaded PCR from portal today, that's why it has today's timestamp.
What's interesting is that her test IDs are 7601574 and 7631146 while they were taken within 15 minutes from each other. There's some 30k difference, and I think Serbia runs around 40k tests a day. PCR samples are sent to central lab and processed later, that would explain why PCR's ID is much higher.
However I don't think we have definite proof of how these test IDs are generated. Different labs could be assigned batches of IDs, PCR tests itself could have preassigned IDs (you can see they have same ID when you're tested, but I'm not sure it's the same ID as presented in results). If test ID is generated when results are inserted into database, then they should always be incremental and Novak's test IDs point to forgery. But there could be other explanations.
My conclusions:
- timestamps are not proof of forgery
- test IDs are suspicious, but we can't be sure.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah, let's just run with the story first, could generate a fair amount of clicks!
I've been beating this drum for a while, but HN really needs to just ban direct links to Twitter threads. I can't remember the last time I saw one on the front page that was actually true.
So new policy is to shoot the messenger, then?
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#225Good for Serbia for implementing some centralized system. A PCR test result in the U.S has absolutely no way of being verified, either negative or positive In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing
Not just Serbia : EU countries have implemented an interoperable vaccination/testing certificate system that relies on digital signatures. https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…
Can you see from your records whether the confirmation number (i.e. 7601263-535518) is fixed at the time of the report, e.g. sent as part of the email? An alternative that comes to my mind is that the number is assigned when the report is first generated, which could in principle explain why Djokovic's numbers are out of order if the first time he accessed his PDF was on 26 Dec.
My two PDFs with different QR codes have the same test ID (7601263-535518). So that one is not generated on the fly. But we don't know 100% if it's generated on database insert (altough it very much looks like that), or if there are some batches depending on lab, PCR batch, etc.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…
I have 2 more datapoints. My wife went with me to the testing on the same date. If you're negative on rapid test, they usually take PCR as well. Since she was negative on the first one, there was a PCR too. These are her QR urls: Rapid test: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=16415703349MJ... Timestamp: 1641570334, time: GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 15:45:34 PCR: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?c…
Hey, it'd be great if you'd reach out to zerforschung at hallo@zerforschung.org :)
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been beating this drum for a while, but HN really needs to just ban direct links to Twitter threads. I can't remember the last time I saw one on the front page that was actually true.
So new policy is to shoot the messenger, then?
When the messenger is spreading false information all the time, yeah, you shouldn't let them be a messenger anymore. I wasn't being hyperbolic: the vast majority of Twitter threads that I've seen make it to the HN frontpage, easily above 75%, are factually incorrect ragebait.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Problem is – he did follow "the rules". He just had root access at the gov't COVID testing system level. Here's a separate thought experiment too: We've all heard stories of people faking COVID tests. E.g. people don't want to pay the price to get tested, or they can't be bothered to go get tested, so they grab an old covid test, change the date and then go to the airport. The airline representative can only do a vis…
I'm going to stop paying my taxes, because some other people also do not do it. If the IRS goes after me, it's discrimination, because they could've gone after someone else instead :) doesn't make that much sense, does it?
Not sure I follow the analogy, but yes you could play the discrimination card in any circumstance.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Feel the same – even if this test investigation is true (looks true) he can plead ignorance of course by saying he doesn't know how that system works. In effect, if his team + Serbian gov't manipulated the tests, I'm not sure what the recourse is, except for the Australian gov't to sue the Serbian gov't?
If he delegates that declaration he still is responsible. That's the normal and perfect consequence of the concept of legal representation. You cannot just hand your duty over to others and then get away with anything. And honestly if there is one thing he must have known, regardless how many overpaid aids he employed, that is whether his test actually came back positive. So the struggle involves him rightly, not the…
well if you go to the doctor and they mess up their timestamps or results, are you liable?