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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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That is a dangerous Calvinist line of thinking. If someone lies/steals/cheats their way to the top, you’d never notice because you are ascribing virtue to the person solely by their success

Pray tell, do you consider any other religions dangerous?

Just the Protestant Work Ethic, which is pure Calvinism.

> Central to Calvinist belief was the Elect, those persons chosen by God to inherit eternal life. All other people were damned and nothing could change that since God was unchanging. While it was impossible to know for certain whether a person was one of the Elect, one could have a sense of it based on his own personal encounters with God. Outwardly the only evidence was in the person's daily life and deeds, and success in one's worldly endeavors was a sign of possible inclusion as one of the Elect. A person who was indifferent and displayed idleness was most certainly one of the damned, but a person who was active, austere, and hard-working gave evidence to himself and to others that he was one of God's chosen ones (Tilgher, 1930).

> Calvin taught that all men must work, even the rich, because to work was the will of God. It was the duty of men to serve as God's instruments here on earth, to reshape the world in the fashion of the Kingdom of God, and to become a part of the continuing process of His creation (Braude, 1975). Men were not to lust after wealth, possessions, or easy living, but were to reinvest the profits of their labor into financing further ventures. Earnings were thus to be reinvested over and over again, ad infinitum, or to the end of time (Lipset, 1990). Using profits to help others rise from a lessor level of subsistence violated God's will since persons could only demonstrate that they were among the Elect through their own labor (Lipset, 1990).

> Selection of an occupation and pursuing it to achieve the greatest profit possible was considered by Calvinists to be a religious duty. Not only condoning, but encouraging the pursuit of unlimited profit was a radical departure from the Christian beliefs of the middle ages. In addition, unlike Luther, Calvin considered it appropriate to seek an occupation which would provide the greatest earnings possible. If that meant abandoning the family trade or profession, the change was not only allowed, but it was considered to be one's religious duty (Tilgher, 1930).

http://workethic.coe.uga.edu/hpro.html

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

How long was he in a drug induced haze for? Long enough to line up other institutional investors?

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>In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding There's no reason to take your comment seriously when you open like this. You clearly have a bias against the man and you're willing to run with assumptions as facts. Until there is evidence that Twitter was not…

It is entirely reasonable to exhibit bias against someone who has repeatedly demonstrated gross irresponsibility. If Musk wishes to be taken seriously, then at this point the burden is on him to demonstrate that he deserves to be taken seriously. We are no longer willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

It's not at all reasonable to accuse someone of being on drugs when making an offer to buy a billion dollar company just because you don't like them. Stick to facts and you'll have others' support (including mine).

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #199

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In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

>In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding There's no reason to take your comment seriously when you open like this. You clearly have a bias against the man and you're willing to run with assumptions as facts. Until there is evidence that Twitter was not…

Do you employment litigation? Have you read the complaint? Why should anyone take you seriously? You just seem like a Musk defender on a bent.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #205

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It is entirely reasonable to exhibit bias against someone who has repeatedly demonstrated gross irresponsibility. If Musk wishes to be taken seriously, then at this point the burden is on him to demonstrate that he deserves to be taken seriously. We are no longer willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

It's not at all reasonable to accuse someone of being on drugs when making an offer to buy a billion dollar company just because you don't like them. Stick to facts and you'll have others' support (including mine).

Not to fall into a gossip-rag mess, but Elon Musk was allegedly on acid when he tweeted "Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured." so this isn't some sort of insane off the wall claim being made here.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

>In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding There's no reason to take your comment seriously when you open like this. You clearly have a bias against the man and you're willing to run with assumptions as facts. Until there is evidence that Twitter was not…

He did something similar at Tesla with layoffs that violated the WARN Act. The lawyers filing this case were the lawyers on that case. They've seen this happen before.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> you don't get to that level of businessmen without making all the right decisions C'mon; he literally just tried desperately to get out of the Twitter deal that's the direct cause of these layoffs. Jeff Bezos's decisions about where to stick his weiner cost him tens of billions of dollars. No one makes "all the right decisions".

People try and get out of deals all the time. It's a normal part of business. Edit: I take it many of you haven't been a part of a company that gets an offer that falls apart later, tried to buy/sell property, etc etc. Deals fall apart constantly , trying to get out of a deal isn't indicative of anything meaningful in and of itself. The only really unusual thing that happened in the Twitter deal was Twitter forcing t…

He waived his ability to do due diligence which is part of the normal business process that allows for backing out of a deal, because he was so confident in buying Twitter. Then he almost immediately tried backing out by claiming that things that would have been found out during the due diligence phase were a surprise to him(bots).

It was forced because he left himself open to the deal being forced which was the idiotic mistake

I think we can take it that you haven’t been part of many businesses that actually had to compete and operate with other businesses with equal leverage. The way a business negotiates when it’s getting bought out due to failing investor goals is a lot different than when the two opposing parties have equivalent leverage

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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It is an interesting case. In France, the case was already judged and having your means of work (example: access to your professional email) cut off before the end of your contract (which include the required advance notice) is considered unlawful firing. The same goes if you are put in the "placard doré", meaning you are not given any work to do. Of course, the laws in France favor the worker a lot more than the U.S…

In the U.S. for security purposes - you definitely cut off email access before actual termination. Employee actions are unpredictable, and poses a legal & liability risk to the company. Not a lawyer, but employees are only required email access for all if company policy say they must. Usually the policies say access can be removed at any time for any purpose the company management desires, because they are, after all…

> In the U.S. for security purposes - you definitely cut off email access before actual termination.

This is done on the scale of hours, not months.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> you don't get to that level of businessmen without making all the right decisions C'mon; he literally just tried desperately to get out of the Twitter deal that's the direct cause of these layoffs. Jeff Bezos's decisions about where to stick his weiner cost him tens of billions of dollars. No one makes "all the right decisions".

> Jeff Bezos's decisions about where to stick his weiner cost him tens of billions of dollars. People are allowed to want to divorce without it being referred to as "where he sticks his weiner". I think what grosses me out is that revenge porn was laid thickly on top of this that people just actively ignored .

Not a fan of Bezos by any means imaginable, but I think that the revenge porn thing that happened to him was the work of a state actor, more exactly of Saudi Arabia.

Not saying that that makes it better, quite the contrary, just that most probably it wasn’t something personal, just a raison d’etat thing.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

Your friends, family members and neighbors typically aren’t going to have the power to fuck over thousands of former employees though. Great power comes great responsibility and all that.

Governments, businesses and politicians do though..
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