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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by Meekro »

jleyank wrote: post #4

All of my layoffs had post termination pay to satisfy federal and state law. HR stressed that we were on salary (without working) during the termination period and that leaving would negate benefits. Once this period ended, there were usual benefits like n weeks per year of employment. Blatantly ignoring the rules just invites lawsuits and weakens em’s position. Sux how rules and established norms of behaviour restri…

The leaked termination notices are indicating that the fired employees will get post termination pay. See, for example, https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1588586560986882048/photo...

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by baidifnaoxi »

rajeshp1986 wrote: post #77
baidifnaoxi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

From what I hear from my personal connections at Twitter. They will be given 60 days pay so he is circumventing that California law.

Not really. There are enough Privacy and Security best practices that would tell you that disgruntled employees are the most dangerous threat to a digital infra.

He’s actually complying with the spirit of the law while also doing what I’d prefer he did given the amount of user data that Twitter holds.

No employee with a 60-day payoff is going to win in court when the hourly rate of these people has approached infinity

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by lovich »

none_to_remain wrote: post #189
lovich wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a dangerous Calvinist line of thinking. If someone lies/steals/cheats their way to the top, you’d never notice because you are ascribing virtue to the person solely by their success

Pray tell, do you consider any other religions dangerous?

You’ll notice I’ll called out the line of thinking, but yes, I could critique many other religions lines of thinking.

Do you believe that any belief is rendered safe solely by being under the umbrella of a religion?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by woodruffw »

baidifnaoxi wrote: post #15
cronix wrote: post #2

> Additional plaintiffs, Justine De Caires, Jessica Pan, and Grae Kindel said they were terminated on November 3 by being locked out of their accounts. > Under Twitter’s takeover deal terms, Musk had agreed to keep employee compensation and benefits the same. That means the laid-off employees should receive 60 days of salary and the cash value of the stock they were to receive within three months of their last date a…

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

> If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period”

AFAICT, nobody was told to "stop working" today. They were all laid off, meaning terminated, no longer compensated, etc.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by kibwen »

pb7 wrote: post #199
selectodude wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

>In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding There's no reason to take your comment seriously when you open like this. You clearly have a bias against the man and you're willing to run with assumptions as facts. Until there is evidence that Twitter was not…

It is entirely reasonable to exhibit bias against someone who has repeatedly demonstrated gross irresponsibility. If Musk wishes to be taken seriously, then at this point the burden is on him to demonstrate that he deserves to be taken seriously. We are no longer willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by cmeacham98 »

blindriver wrote: post #160
mikestew wrote: post #16

Can we please fix the title? Not only is it incomplete and makes no sense, it also got butchered such that it is now wrong. Original: "Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs without proper legal notice" At least replace the "with" with "without".

It's also wrong. According to the email they received, they are getting paid until Feb 2023, plus one vest of their RSUs from what I heard. There is no legal basis for a lawsuit.

Source? Do you work for Twitter? I haven't seen this claim anywhere.

Edit: source is https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by lovich »

baidifnaoxi wrote: post #200
lovich wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a dangerous Calvinist line of thinking. If someone lies/steals/cheats their way to the top, you’d never notice because you are ascribing virtue to the person solely by their success

// furiously flips through Wikipedia to remember wth Calvinism was again

It’s a branch of Protestantism, the specific belief of theirs I was referencing was one that can be reduced to believing that the rich are because they are good and god wanted them to be and the poor and destitute are such because they are bad and god is punishing them

Edit: the other poster here has a much better summary, with sources

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33472039

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jjmorrison »

This is not how the WARN act works. Companies do not need to give a 60 day warning to layoff employees. They can instead pay out 60 days of severance. Which is what everyone always does since letting employees hang out at the office for 2 months after a layoff would be super weird.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jjmorrison »

falcolas wrote: post #73
readingnews wrote: post #61

Honestly, what? Every job I have had in IT/programming/universities/heavy industry have been "at will". We can fire you at any time for any reason. Is silicon valley not like this? What is this "advanced notice"?? No, really, I am not taking sides, but is this how it works at some places? I have been working for several decades, I have _never_ heard of this.

California is at-will. And it still requires 60 days notice for a mass-layoff, thorough a separate act, because it's a special case that's covered by a separate law. > “an employer may not order a mass layoff, relocation, or termination at a covered establishment unless, 60 days before the order takes effect, the employer gives written notice of the order” https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/Cal-WARNAct.html

Notice can be given in the form of severance.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by googlryas »

nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32
baidifnaoxi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

Consider: I'm going to sue you to make sure you don't steal my car. Makes sense right? You shouldn't be stealing cars so my lawsuit will be reasonable. I just want to make sure you follow through with what you should do
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