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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by dsego »

hsbaut76 wrote: post #42
stunt wrote: post #39

X1 Carbon and XPS 13 are still the best hardware out there if you are using Linux.

T480s seems like a more balanced machine than the carbon imo. Xps have quality control issues.

Running Ubuntu on T480s. Nice machine, plenty thin and really lightweight. Touchpad is nice, no pinch-to-zoom on linux but two-finger right click is finally working it seems (click, not tap). Battery life could be better, getting ~4hours on Ubuntu 18.10 with tlp installed (and I thought 6hrs on the 2016 Macbook Pro was a downgrade :/) I miss the mac apps though, linux apps got frozen in time somewhere in the early 2000s.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by rovr138 »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #158
darrmit wrote: post #117

It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

> but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose or b.) troubleshoot it when it randomly decides to break itself on update From my experience, troubleshooting macOS when it randomly decides to break is almost a Windows-like experience - lots of frustration and no sensible help on the internet (unless your problem is so trivial it gets solve…

For my workstation, no matter the OS, I’m going to revert what I did.

If that doesn’t fix it, I’m going to format and restore with a backup. I have better things to do.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by noxToken »

H1Supreme wrote: post #137
darrmit wrote: post #117

It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

> tune and configure it to work You really don't have to do that. For example: I put Ubuntu Mate on a 2009 Macbook that could not run MacOs anymore (too slow). I had to install a wifi driver, and that was it. Everything else worked out of the box. My current Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop is running the same OS, and needed 0 drivers installed. I put Antergos on an Intel Nuc (that I later switched to Ubuntu Server). Again,…

Another legacy hardware user here. I have a HP laptop from early 2008 that pretty much can't run anything. I no longer have Linux on my daily driver, and I'll need to occasionally break out that laptop for dev purposes. Ubuntu has been a godsend for that laptop.

Unfun fact: although the Wi-Fi spec is backwards compatible, a lot of places only serve 802.11n and forward making legacy hardware impossible to use on their network.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by coldtea »

griffinmb wrote: post #148
coldtea wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what Apple says on their docs. They say: "To charge your Apple Pencil (1st generation), plug your Apple Pencil INTO THE Lightning connector on your iPad. You can ALSO charge it with a USB Power Adapter by using the Apple Pencil Charging Adapter that came with your Apple Pencil. " (Emphasis mine). Besides, you shouldn't need to plug it that way to pair it either.

The docs don't seem to disagree with me. > Besides, you shouldn't need to plug it that way to pair it either. Agreed. And glad that's not necessary for the latest generation.

>The docs don't seem to disagree with me.

You said "You plug the Pencil into the iPad to pair it. It comes with an adapter that you use to charge it with a regular cable."

As a response to the parent, your comment makes sense only if you meant to imply: "you're not supposed to plug it to charge it, only to pair it".

But if you meant to imply that as the right way to do things as according to Apple, you're wrong.

Apple suggests to plug it to the iPad to charge it (not just to pair it), and mentions the charge cable only as something you can "also" do.

In other words, Apple doesn't say you're just meant to "plug the Pencil into the iPad" only to pair it, and not only it doesn't discourage users to charge by plugging to the iPad, it suggests it.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by carlosrg »

Rudi9719 wrote: post #58

I don't understand the failure of the butterfly keyboard? I haven't had any issues with my 2017 macBook and it seems to keep kruft from getting under my keys (A problem I had with the older macbook keyboards) I also live on my macbook so it's constantly in use, and much to my displeasure, around food.

Same here, 2016 MacBook (so it's not even the second-gen keyboard). Still works fine, although I would prefer more key travel.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by megablast »

paxys wrote: post #14

> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

Because Windows is absolute shit, and has been since they released Vista. I have tried going back, have to use one at work occasionally. Damn awful.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by 0_gravitas »

dep_b wrote: post #166
0_gravitas wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LR has absolutely guaranteed that I will never willingly purchase an apple product in my life.

Which kind of makes you think what he thinks of what his business really is in the long term. Repairing Macs that nobody buys anymore probably not.

I doubt hes under the delusion that people will stop buying apple anytime soon, and even if they did, it shouldn't be too hard for him to pivot to doing more general repairs.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by dsego »

ajma wrote: post #2

hmm... am I alone in being someone who likes the butterfly keyboard?

I liked it when it worked. It's all about what you are used to I think. When typing on a mechanical keyboard for a while, even a thinkpad keyboard will seem like pressing on cardboard. But mine broke a lot and I managed to snap off the key caps, those are really fragile.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by megablast »

robertAngst wrote: post #172
vbezhenar wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using iPhone and I did some Android development recently. I bought quite recent phone (cheap as hell, of course, but it's not slow). Sorry, Android is still not going to win over iOS for me. Price is awesome, yeah, that phone for $200 is as good as my $1000 iPhone, but Android is for very different kind of people than I am. And even that advantage seems to vanish in new versions (e.g. it seems that you can't reco…

Do you have any reasons? You didn't post any in your comment.

Nor did you.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by carlosrg »

droptablemain wrote: post #34

I tried, but I don't really feel much sympathy for someone who buys a product with a 40% premium that's effectively a status symbol masquerading as a piece of hardware. To be honest, I'm quite giggly over this whole ordeal.

I'm willing to pay that 40% for the only decent desktop OS out there.
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