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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by vbezhenar »

robertAngst wrote: post #138
paxys wrote: post #14

> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

My last company gave us iPhones, and I was excited to try an Apple product without giving Apple money. Wow, I felt like I was using a phone that was 5 years old. I only imagine Apple users have Allegory of the Cave effect, they don't know whats out there. Leaving the cave is lots of work, so they enjoy whats available for them.

I'm using iPhone and I did some Android development recently. I bought quite recent phone (cheap as hell, of course, but it's not slow). Sorry, Android is still not going to win over iOS for me. Price is awesome, yeah, that phone for $200 is as good as my $1000 iPhone, but Android is for very different kind of people than I am. And even that advantage seems to vanish in new versions (e.g. it seems that you can't record calls with new Android anymore).

I don't really want to bash on people using Android. It's free OS after all and that's awesome, it allows many things that are not possible with iOS. But not everyone does not know what's out there. It's not like Android is some hidden treasure, it's everywhere and most people saw it, they just made a different choice.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by sundvor »

rayiner wrote: post #105
sundvor wrote: post #36

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Woa. For the X1 Carbon, Lenovo actually designed ducts to channel accidental water ingress away from the important parts. It's kind of sad that Apple gets away with just focusing on the glitzy externals - and that their plethora customers don't care.

Lenovo (I’ve got an X1 Carbon) has no room to talk about shoddy QA: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-laptop-quality-cont...

Thanks. My first actually had a gap in the corner, but no issues getting that replaced. It allowed me to go from the i5/8/256 to the i7/8/256 as the latter wasn't available when I ordered - i7 was only with 4gb.

I shall certainly be wary when I do get around to upgrading this one. Lenovo Australia are pretty easy to deal with though, fortunately.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by marmaduke »

culturestate wrote: post #151
caddytodaddy wrote: post #128

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The use case was server side data analysis. If it’s important work the researcher should get the much much more powerful server and run Linux like most sane people do. Who cares if your server can pair with your Apple Watch or use WhatsApp.

For all we know, the researcher could've also mistaken their real RAM requirements and 64GB would give them equal performance. I'd rather walk them through the options and then let them make the decision that they're most comfortable with, rather than mandating something that they don't want and which might make them less efficient as a result.

The research project in question will use as much RAM as is available, and we already have 128gb machines available, and access to larger. Why, for just running some MATLAB scripts through SSH would you need to stay with the Apple ecosystem for that?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by ainiriand »

matwood wrote: post #145
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. Do you have one? It charges very quickly. Basically go make a cup of coffee and it's charged for the day+ when you get back. Leave it plugged in overnight and it's good for almost a month.

So the device design decides when you can or cannot work. That is not acceptable. There are many 'what ifs' to consider.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by dep_b »

0_gravitas wrote: post #49
rarrrrr wrote: post #30

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After watching Louis Rossmann's live repairs and informed bitching, I bought an almost maxed-out Lenovo T480 on the President's Day sale and hackintoshed it. Water-resistant, backlit keyboard that's awesome and isn't crazy loud/fragile. 16 GiB, WQHD (could be brighter), Samsung 1 TiB 970 Pro and giant extended battery. 9 hour run-time. MIL-spec rated. EDIT: I had a pre-Retina A1278 mid-2012 MBP with 16 GiB and 2 SSD'…

LR has absolutely guaranteed that I will never willingly purchase an apple product in my life.

Which kind of makes you think what he thinks of what his business really is in the long term. Repairing Macs that nobody buys anymore probably not.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by Veen »

robertAngst wrote: post #154
vbezhenar wrote: post #147

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It is good experience to be able to buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. Choosing among thousands of alternatives is pretty frustrating. What brand should I choose? HP, Dell, Lenovo, IBM, Acer, Asus, whatever? I need good display, fast CPU, good battery life, enough RAM. Pretty vague requirements. You are buying Macbook and it's just good, you don't have any regrets, because its CPU is o…

>buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. The alternative is that you spend 30 minutes of research and get a superior product cheaper. This isnt an opinion, this is reality. You can find a computer with better specs than Apple, cheaper. I'm not sympathetic to the 'mom' who doesn't know what RAM is, they get penalized by Apple for being an uninformed consumer. Is there any reason for a 'Nerd'…

> Is there any reason for a 'Nerd' to pick Apple?

You are making a typical nerd assumption, which is to equate "better product" with "better specs".

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by vbezhenar »

robertAngst wrote: post #153
ricardobeat wrote: post #143

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What about the phone/OS made you feel that? Your comment is offensively patronising. Have you considered the chance you’re also suffering from bias of having used the same systems for years?

I'll list my problems, I don't expect this to go over well, but since you asked- >Apple's podcast app was glitchy/laggy. >Apple maps took me a 'long' way, but it didn't know traffic was bad. I give them a 50% pass. >Apple maps telling you to turn at the last second... >The home screen is not on the same level as Android, no widgets in 2019. >Controls, I felt like things werent intuitive, but thats an opinion thing. >…

Apple apps have nothing to do with iOS. You can use many apps. I'm using 4 different map apps and Apple maps is not among them. Check out google maps for example or try to find one that local people used (I had good experience with TomTom in Europe). iOS has widgets on other screens, home screen is just apps launcher. Controls are opinionated indeed and I feel myself better in iOS world without that strange "back" button which can do anything. Not sure about animations, I think that there are settings in accessibility options for those, but I'm not sure, never was an issue for me.

Frequent updates seems to be a good thing. I don't update myself often, and my phone complains may be once a week or month, definitely not every day.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by marmaduke »

threeseed wrote: post #75
culturestate wrote: post #45

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The other commenter makes good points re: the cognitive cost of switching platforms, but let me give you another point of view: the Apple ecosystem is, actually, shockingly good. My Apple Watch unlocks all of my Macs. When I join a new WiFi network on my iPhone, those credentials are immediately available to my iPad. When my iPhone rings, it pauses video playing on my Apple TV until I ignore the call. To send a link…

Let me add a few more: 1) SMS/iMessages synced across all devices and able to send from any of the devices e.g. Mac or non-4G iPad. 2) 2FA codes received on your iPhone are automatically populated in Safari text fields on your Mac. 3) Safari window opened on an iPhone will appear as an icon on the Mac so you can easily pick up where you left off. Works for a number of other apps as well. And in every direction. 4) Ai…

Just a data point, I desperately hoped the SMS iMessages thing worked (my wife can thumb type way faster.. how to get competitive edge..) but never worked between a iPhone SE and MBP for me. The messages just never showed up on the MBP despite all the tutorials I followed. That’s great that it worked for you but let’s not pretend SMS conveniences should inform purchasing choices for computationally intensive data analysis projects.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by robertAngst »

Veen wrote: post #167
robertAngst wrote: post #154

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>buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. The alternative is that you spend 30 minutes of research and get a superior product cheaper. This isnt an opinion, this is reality. You can find a computer with better specs than Apple, cheaper. I'm not sympathetic to the 'mom' who doesn't know what RAM is, they get penalized by Apple for being an uninformed consumer. Is there any reason for a 'Nerd'…

> Is there any reason for a 'Nerd' to pick Apple? You are making a typical nerd assumption, which is to equate "better product" with "better specs".

The rest is just marketing.

Apple is very good at Marketing.

EDIT: Will someone explain what this theoretical 'non spec' thing that matters is? The Apple logo?

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