Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

theoutline.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 644 posts

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#111

Post by KayEss »

LeonM wrote: post #56
stunt wrote: post #39

X1 Carbon and XPS 13 are still the best hardware out there if you are using Linux.

X1 Extreme is a better choice imo, up to 64G (replaceable), 2 m.2 slots, a GTX1050 for casual gaming or ML and a 4K display. I have one on order. There is also the P1, which comes with a Xeon (!) option and Quadro P1000 graphics. The market for the P1 is pretty specific, but if you need those nVidia certified drivers, this is the one. Edit: obviously you wouldn't run Linux on the P1 if you bought it for the certified…

I get my X1 Extreme on Sunday -- had to order through a friend in the UK because the price in Thailand is nearly 2 times the UK one and in any case nobody has one.

Been a big fan of the thinkpads for 20 years. All of them very solid machines that just last and last, and never had a problem with running Linux on them

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#112

Post by jgowdy »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #106
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

Once they decided to make the mouse chargeable it was inevitable the plug would go underneath. A plug that allowed you to continue to use the mouse wouldn't stand up to the stress and strain of being dragged around your desk.

I'm confused. You mean like on a wired mouse, where the cord is constantly exposed to the strain of the movement and is typically just fine for many many years? I have Microsoft Intellimouse devices which are many years old and work perfectly. The differences between a USB plugged in cable and a permenantly attached cable don't seem relevant in this instance.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#113

Post by m_mueller »

alehul wrote: post #108
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. For those not familiar with the Apple Mouse, the commenter means that the power plug is on the part that you’re supposed to have on the mousepad, meaning you can’t charge it while using it, at all. Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved.

Probably the same person who approved Apple pencil 1 charging...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#114

Post by coldtea »

threeseed wrote: post #110
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

People still bringing up the Magic Mouse. The idea is you weren't supposed to leave it plugged in. 2 hours of charging = 2 months of use so it's not like charging was supposed to be a regular occurrence.

>The idea is you weren't supposed to leave it plugged in.

The idea is I don't care about the idea. If I forgot to charge it, or come back from holidays and it's off, I want to be able to plug in and still work.

Like with every other mouse.

Not to mention: when the charge lasts so long (2 months) it's even easier to forget to recharge it and take it for granted. Unlike something you need to charge e.g. daily or so, this is something that stays out of your mind for months on end -- until it fails.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#115

Post by threeseed »

jgowdy wrote: post #112
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once they decided to make the mouse chargeable it was inevitable the plug would go underneath. A plug that allowed you to continue to use the mouse wouldn't stand up to the stress and strain of being dragged around your desk.

I'm confused. You mean like on a wired mouse, where the cord is constantly exposed to the strain of the movement and is typically just fine for many many years? I have Microsoft Intellimouse devices which are many years old and work perfectly. The differences between a USB plugged in cable and a permenantly attached cable don't seem relevant in this instance.

It's not the cord itself that would be exposed to the strain of the movement.

It's the Lightning connector which was never designed to be moved within the socket tens of thousands of times a day.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#116

Post by coldtea »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #106
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

Once they decided to make the mouse chargeable it was inevitable the plug would go underneath. A plug that allowed you to continue to use the mouse wouldn't stand up to the stress and strain of being dragged around your desk.

>A plug that allowed you to continue to use the mouse wouldn't stand up to the stress and strain of being dragged around your desk.

Plugs not being able to stand up the stress and strain were never Apple's concern.

Apple cables (for lighting, charing MBPs, etc) have easily strained since time immemorial.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#117

Post by darrmit »

It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had.

- Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases.

- USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality

However, I’ve run Linux off and on since 2007 and Windows for 20+ years and I still wouldn’t give up macOS as my daily driver. Even with the issues above it still has an excellent display, I like the keyboard (waiting to start having issues), and the battery life is the best I’ve ever had.

I’m glad to hear desktop Linux works for some people, but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose or b.) troubleshoot it when it randomly decides to break itself on update.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#118

Post by sametmax »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #106
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

Once they decided to make the mouse chargeable it was inevitable the plug would go underneath. A plug that allowed you to continue to use the mouse wouldn't stand up to the stress and strain of being dragged around your desk.

You mean like the logitech mx 2s, easily the best mouse I ever owned ?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#119

Post by koliber »

tsmarsh wrote: post #99
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

You missed charging the Apple Pencil on the ipad pro. Arrow keys being disabled in Safari iOS 3D Touch Removing the 3.5mm Jack...

Also, remember when they

- removed the SCSI port

- removed the floppy disk drive

- removed the CD ROM

It hurt EVERY time. The pain does not get less when they do it over and over again.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#120

Post by coldtea »

m_mueller wrote: post #113
alehul wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. For those not familiar with the Apple Mouse, the commenter means that the power plug is on the part that you’re supposed to have on the mousepad, meaning you can’t charge it while using it, at all. Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved.

Probably the same person who approved Apple pencil 1 charging...

Haha, that's even worse yeah. The easiest way to break the end!
Post reply on HN