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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last two are chromium-based and thus will likely follow chrome's extension system too.

Both of them have already said they will not implement these changes in their Chromium branches. Unfortunately for Google, Chrome is open source, and Google will no longer be the dominant Chromium branch if they keep making mistakes like this.

I am afraid that won't be enough https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F01z...

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #7

Does it really kill adblockers though?

In current form, yes. The article pretty clearly states: >Instead Google wants developers to use the declarativeNetRequest API, which has the browser, not the extension, strip content or resources from a visited web sites. This API, though, has a limit of 30,000 rules that can be created. >Unfortunately, this change will break popular ad blockers such as uBlock Origin, which rely on the original functionality of the…

> In current form, yes.

It does not; actually, I’d argue that the adblocker I’m using right now works just fine. I cannot see how it will do in the future, but it’s just incorrect to say that this change kills all adblocking.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #15

This is the point in the dominance cycle where the dominant player decides they no longer need to be the fastest or the most secure and that their dominance will allow them to coast along doing their thing. There’s nothing particularly inevitable about what happens next, but let’s hope they get an IE6-sized kick in the teeth.

has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I swear, around about 2011 I thought Google was going to become self aware but it's declined from that high-point to a point where duckduckgo has become a viable alternative for more than just reasons of privacy. Which is a great thing!

Turns out "Don't be Evil" was more than just a feel-good marketing slogan. It may have actually been good for business as well.

Bye bye Google. It really has been great!

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you don't share their opinion, you have to accept that some people honestly believe that advertising is necessary for funding the open Web and keep it open for people who either can't afford tons of subscriptions or hate them for privacy reasons. Realistically, Mr Vincent is not in charge of being an advocate for anything other than Google's corporate interests. But he is not in charge of destroying extension…

> ...advertising is necessary for funding the open Web and keep it open for people who either can't afford tons of subscriptions or hate them for privacy reasons That's a minor issue. The bigger issue is the fact that, if adblockers become truly popular, websites will go back to serving opaque binary blobs instead of HTML+CSS+JS. Remember Flash and 'Flash pages' back in the day? That, except worse.

I'm not sure that is worse. A vast majority of the primary source web has no in page ads as it is things like orgs talking about their own products. If I could reliably filter the entire ad funded web from my search results on the basis of their using a blobs/DRM feature, I'm not sure how often I would do a search on the derivative web.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple/Safari adopted pretty much the same architecture on Ad Blockers. Maybe just maybe the conspiracy theories are all wrong, and there was actually a legitimate, technical reason for choosing a restricted API.

Safari has a much larger limit for blocking list entries though.

It’s not all that much larger; the limit is a combination of a hard cap of 50,000 rules and what Jetsam will let you get away with.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #116

Back in the IE 6 days I was in charge of fixing my families computers, and my family's friends computers. I was dealing with a few things a week, some requiring a full re-install. This was back in the early 2000's. Eventually I snapped and started charging hourly unless people switched to Gmail and Firefox. I started getting a lot less calls since Gmail was pretty good about filtering out malicious attachments and IE…

I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

Change the icon of the FF shortcut to look like the IE icon ;)

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #15

This is the point in the dominance cycle where the dominant player decides they no longer need to be the fastest or the most secure and that their dominance will allow them to coast along doing their thing. There’s nothing particularly inevitable about what happens next, but let’s hope they get an IE6-sized kick in the teeth.

They still are the fastest and the most secure, and Manifest v3 is faster than uBlock Origin since no javascript code needs to run.

I won't be using Chrome anymore once they implement this since I like my element-hiding rules which I wrote myself, but for the common rabble, Manifest v3 will be an improvement.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #116

Back in the IE 6 days I was in charge of fixing my families computers, and my family's friends computers. I was dealing with a few things a week, some requiring a full re-install. This was back in the early 2000's. Eventually I snapped and started charging hourly unless people switched to Gmail and Firefox. I started getting a lot less calls since Gmail was pretty good about filtering out malicious attachments and IE…

I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

If you’re on Windows, you need to set up edge-deflector too, which is a fairly advanced piece of idiocy.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #116

Back in the IE 6 days I was in charge of fixing my families computers, and my family's friends computers. I was dealing with a few things a week, some requiring a full re-install. This was back in the early 2000's. Eventually I snapped and started charging hourly unless people switched to Gmail and Firefox. I started getting a lot less calls since Gmail was pretty good about filtering out malicious attachments and IE…

I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

> And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

That's just plain dumb. Explain to your users what you are doing. You seem to think they are stupid, well they are not.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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post #50

> Simeon Vincent, a Google Developer Advocate for Chrome Extensions One has to love and admire the use of Newspeak by big companies... How is this Mr Vincent an "advocate"? He's in charge of destroying extensions! On his Twitter bio [1] he also says he likes "helping people" and "the open web". The cognitive dissonance must be hard to bear. [1] https://twitter.com/dotproto

“Hello, fellow developers! I myself am a developer, just like you! How’s everyone developing today? By the way ” It’s so transparent, I boggle at how anyone falls for it, or that companies still think it is a viable strategy.

They do that because it works.

I remember clearly an interview of a very famous IT billionaire going this way:

- What's the most annoying myth about you? - A myth migh be that I'm the most generous philantropist of all time. [...But] I havent' sacrified my time or economic well being the same way lots of unamed, amazing people do. So they're the worlds best philantropists.

This is the least subtle humble-brag of all time. "People says I'm so incredibly amazing. But they are wrong. There are out there more amazing people." is gotta be next to the job interview answer "my biggest weakness is that I work too much" in the BS book.

But the reactions to the interview are still, to this day, "this person is so humble", "he is such a good man", etc.

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