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Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Post by un_ »

wyldfire wrote: post #268
hobs wrote: post #252

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My thoughts are basically: + "Run your own infrastructure" is currently a pipe dream for what is 99.9% of people. + Companies selling data when they go bankrupt or M&As changing the nature of what they do with the collection happens regularly. + Discussing ownership is fairly simple as well, "Does the company already have your data?" + Any business not based around profiling has a additional options to make more mone…

> + "Run your own infrastructure" is currently a pipe dream for what is 99.9% of people. Or not even a dream, because those 99.9% prefer not to run their own infrastructure even if it's easy and cheap. However, "local apps" (ones which don't require infrastructure) could be appealing if they could achieve parity with the enormous-backend apps.

I just find it hard to run my own infrastructure. I tried setting up an e-mail server once, and the e-mails I sent from it were directly routed to the Spam folder of any Gmail account I tried to send them to.

I tried DKIM, but the e-mails were still sent to Gmail's spam folders. Eventually I gave up on self-hosted e-mail.

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Post by hutattedonmyarm »

MichaelGG wrote: post #177
maqr wrote: post #91

> For years we’ve offered encryption services like iMessage and FaceTime because we believe the contents of your text messages and your video chats is none of our business. Sounds great, but take note that it's none of their business today and we know they can be compelled to spy on their users by NSLs. They control the key infrastructure with their closed-source software that runs on their closed-source hardware. If…

If anyone manages to make a messaging app that both has strong security and is user friendly and supports features users expect, they will become very rich. Seeing as no one has even proposed a solution in theory, it's most likely unsolvable. I'll bet if you can formulate it clearly enough, you can even prove it so. Look at say, Dark Mail. After all that hype, their design is "uh basically SMTP+TLS, or PGP if you're…

> If anyone manages to make a messaging app that both has strong security and is user friendly and supports features users expect, they will become very rich. Seeing as no one has even proposed a solution in theory, it's most likely unsolvable. I'll bet if you can formulate it clearly enough, you can even prove it so.

Something like Threema?

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Post by coned88 »

gwu78 wrote: post #318
coned88 wrote: post #312

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> I gateway all my devices through one computer running a stripped down kernel. Through this host I monitor all network connections. I block ads and of course this means I block Apple. Do you do this always via a vpn or something or was it just to try it out?

s/connections/attempted &/ Yes, I do this always. For me, the ad blocking is most easily done via DNS. djbdns features make it especially easy. I have been using DNS to block ads especially in app ads for several years now. Never expected it to work so well (such heavy reliance on DNS by developers), but it does. There are of course other ways besides DNS to block unwanted connections including ones to Apple and thir…

don't you waste a lot of battery going through a vpn though on your cell phone? I'd love to hear more about this setup.

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Post by vacri »

stephenr wrote: post #240
vacri wrote: post #232

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Yes, you did. You referenced the companies Cook was talking about, and he was primarily talking about Google. Google also operates the only software market that's close to the App Store in size, apart from the niche-market case of Steam. One of my pet hates is people who imply something, then use "but I didn't LITERALLY write the exact words that say that". You can play that game forever - for instance, where in my f…

Tim Cook specifically LITERALLY says that he is talking about multiple companies: > I’m speaking to you from Silicon Valley, where some of the most prominent and successful companies have built their businesses by lulling their customers into complacency about their personal information > where in my first reply to you did I explicitly mention that you did say it You were the one who brought Google into the conversat…

The fact that you say you can't pick up that the major target in Cook's speech is Google simply means that either you're lying to save face, or you're incapable of picking up subtext in what people say. Cook's talking about 'data on our devices' and 'free services' and 'having your email, search history, and now family photos'. Who the hell do you think he's referring to here? Second in his firing line is Facebook, but it's clearly squarely aimed at the Goog, because Facebook has had your family photos for years.

And just in case you are enough of a naif that you missed that 'subtext', if it can be called that subtle, the article even explicitly highlights that it was a swipe against Google and spends a paragraph explaining why. Cook was the one who brought Google into the conversation, not me. He just didn't say the word 'google'.

And besides, what kind of counter is "these were the literal words" to someone whose argument is "there is more to communication than literal words"?

But hey, "I never said you did".

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Post by mirimir »

homunculus wrote: post #265
mirimir wrote: post #216

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Buying gift cards for cash is too insecure. But I do see https://giftoff.com/gift-cards/apple-store for buying Apple Store gift cards with Bitcoins. I'll give it a go. Edit: It seems legitimate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970780.0

I don't see how buying gift cards for cash in person is less secure than buying something online for bitcoin. Cash would seem the least identifying and/or trackable way of purchasing gift cards.

One can easily use VPN services and Tor to anonymize IP address. And one can easily anonymize Bitcoins using various mixing services via Tor. But in buying gift cards with cash, there is in-store video. There's also cellphone tracking, for those who are careless.

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Post by mirimir »

panglott wrote: post #295
mirimir wrote: post #216

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Buying gift cards for cash is too insecure. But I do see https://giftoff.com/gift-cards/apple-store for buying Apple Store gift cards with Bitcoins. I'll give it a go. Edit: It seems legitimate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970780.0

Your needs are such that buying gift cards with cash is not secure/anonymous enough for you, yet it is too painful to use open-source software from outside the App Store? I would suggest that this may be too small of a market to be commercially viable.

You may be right about open-source software being sufficient on Apple gear. But I wouldn't want to go through the hassle of buying gear anonymously, and then discover that I need something via Apple.

I'm sure that I represent a small market. But it's arguably a market that Apple must serve well for Tim Cook's claims about privacy to be credible.

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Post by mirimir »

tdkl wrote: post #276
mirimir wrote: post #216

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Buying gift cards for cash is too insecure. But I do see https://giftoff.com/gift-cards/apple-store for buying Apple Store gift cards with Bitcoins. I'll give it a go. Edit: It seems legitimate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970780.0

Can we do refunds yet with Bitcoin ? That's why.

There are escrow systems for that. They're not widely implemented, but that can change.

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Post by Oletros »

snom320 wrote: post #321
Oletros wrote: post #301

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Schimdt quote is taken out of context and it is not the whole quote.

Even with the context, it's pretty bad. And it's not like his other quotes on privacy paint a better picture.

Wuth the context [0], it is a warning about privacy, the contrary meaning of the partial quote that is always used

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9655523

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Post by 72deluxe »

72deluxe wrote: post #237
mark_l_watson wrote: post #32

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I would like to see that happen. In an ideal world, I believe, we would be able to pay for search, cloud storage, email, etc. with strong privacy and security guarantees.

I had never thought about paying for Search but I think it's a really good idea. A subscription to a search engine would be really useful.

Haha I got downvoted but in truth search as a service (perhaps call that SaaS.... :-) would be useful.

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Post by 72deluxe »

72deluxe wrote: post #230
ac29 wrote: post #100

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>It's funny how Google advocates always "bash" apple for being "closed source" when this company ships the most popular Unix in the world... and all of their products, even the watch, are based on it. Android ships far more units than OS X/iOS and their derivatives do.

It also makes me laugh that Google is doing Brillo, which is a stripped-down version of Android - surely Linux is enough? If you remove all the Androidyness from Android, it's Linux which is quite stripped down.... It's like a project that has no purpose.

I chortle as I am downvoted but I do honestly wonder who would use Brillo instead of a Linux installation? Even microcore is small enough.
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