Live data from Hacker News

Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

dev.windows.com

131–140 of 390 posts

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#131
post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not familiar with Microsoft programs and I didn't know what "IoT platform" was (in fact, didn't know that IoT was "Internet of Things").

This combination seems like the exact opposite of what an IoT platform should be.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#132
post #72
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Kids will be more productive on Windows and more likely be able to take those skills with them. How many kids need to know linux in the future? Here's what the Linux trend looks like: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=linux

>Kids will be more productive on Windows Citation needed.

Didn't we just establish that it's the system that kids already know more about?

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for tinkering and learning about computers. Maybe, but Linux just seems more convenient. I mean, can you install gcc, golang, nodejs, python, ruby, ghc, lua (...) on windows with a single command? And all the other tools you might want to use, like editors, databases? And you will never know if they want to do kernel-level coding if they don't h…

> I mean, can you install gcc, golang, nodejs, python, ruby, ghc, lua (...) on windows with a single command? If you go the unofficial way you can use chocolatey ( https://chocolatey.org/ ). I am very happy with it ( so does it my 9 years old son) > And you will never know if they want to do kernel-level coding if they don't have access to the kernel. That depends on the personal curiosity of each person. In my case…

Chocolatey looks nice actually. I might have had more fun on windows when I used it in the 90s if that had existed. I will keep it in mind in case I ever see a need for it, I imagine I could suggest it to some windows users.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#134
post #66

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

Now, while legally, you are perfectly right, Windows is as close as ever, it's not actually that hard to look under the hood. I work as a Windows device driver developer, and sometimes I need to reverse engineer some of the internals, and the source code from WRK is easily available on the internet : ( http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... ). These are sources from 2005-2006 timeframe, but t…

> I would also recommend it for studying operating systems

Perhaps not if you plan of contributing code to any open source OS. Practices like this can leave projects exposed to intellectual property violations.

This is why reverse engineering usually requires more people, each who isn't privy to the previous persons source material.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#135
post #125
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now, while legally, you are perfectly right, Windows is as close as ever, it's not actually that hard to look under the hood. I work as a Windows device driver developer, and sometimes I need to reverse engineer some of the internals, and the source code from WRK is easily available on the internet : ( http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... ). These are sources from 2005-2006 timeframe, but t…

> and the source code from WRK is easily available on the internet : ( http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... ). These are sources from 2005-2006 timeframe, but they are tremendously helpful when debugging What's the story behind this? Did Microsoft willingly open source parts of its Windows kernel?

No, Microsoft has this Windows Research Kernel they offer to universities and other organizations under a certain strict agreement. This particular site probably has no idea of what access control, or directory access rights mean, so it's easily accessible for anyone.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#136

I don't think Microsoft is doing it for the Open-Source spirit, as many seem to believe. They have a long history of attacking/smearing open source and displaying a "I heart Linux" slide is not sufficient to erase all the FUD and their questionable software patent licensing schemes (which are completely anti-open). They called Linux a cancer, even. I think they're approaching this from a redundancy point of view, if…

Can we stop with this argument? Every time a business makes a business-oriented decision someone will pop out to call them out for being acting for their own benefit, as if it's somehow bad. Like every human exchange, you don't have to be an altruist for your deed to be good. It's alright to do "good" even if it derives some sort of benefit for yourself or your company.

monopolistic and anti-competitive business practices-which Microsoft is well known for-have been significantly harmful to large numbers of people.

there are plenty of "business-oriented decisions" that are bad for others; being pro-competition or anti-monopoly is not the same thing as being anti-business in general, as you seem to be implying here.

the poster was talking about Microsoft's use of network effects as an anti-competitive strategy, not about criticizing a company attempting to make money.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#137
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate that you apparently had bad experiences with Ubuntu, but this thread is about development tools, not installing third party games from external sources. Yes, if you want to game, windows seems like a more convenient choice, nobody disputes that.

Well I have a B+ and installed Raspbian for a little home energy project that reads from my smart meter over serial and pushes the data to the cloud. The programming was easy, I spent 5x as much time trying to get things installed. Finally got Cloud9 working, never was able to get InfluxDB installed, kind of got OrientDB installed (it crashes). I consider myself a technical person and while I think it's fun to use Li…

> I consider myself a technical person and while I think it's fun to use Linux, it's certainly not productive.

Should read: "...I'm certainly not productive."

Just because you struggled with the Linux paradigm, it doesn't mean that it's an unproductive platform.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#138
Even though its Windows 10, the fact its ARM means you won't be able to run most desktop Windows software. Unlike Linux where most things have already been ported to ARM (thanks to open source!).

People will discover the limitations very quickly, especially compared to Raspbian/Ubuntu/OpenSUSE/etc...

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#139
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this was answered. It's bad because teachers would push for a platform they presumably know more about -- Windows.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Kids will be more productive on Windows and more likely be able to take those skills with them. How many kids need to know linux in the future? Here's what the Linux trend looks like: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=linux

'linux' is a single keyword, while GNU/Linux OS might show up as a wide set of different keywords, like ubuntu, debian, mint, arch, centos, rhel, fedora, gentoo, opensuse. Note that this is not the case with Windows, iOS, OSX. So, it would be interesting to see the combined interest of all those added to that of 'linux' for a more correct perspective - not considering Android of course, since it's not a GNU/Linux system.

BTW it seems interest in Windows is also halving every ~10 years (though not as fast as 'linux'):

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=windows

Post reply on HN