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Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by josefresco »

yamayb wrote: post #139
DominikR wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not like how Israel is always portrayed as some thug that is pulling the strings. Israel is a small satellite state of the US in a very important region, therefore Israel is very important to the US in realizing its goals to dominate this region. Also, the comparison with Nazi Germany is wrong. The US does not have any racial ideology, it wants to dominate economically and militarily, not destroy if it doesn't h…

I don't think he means that Israel is pulling the strings -- but that is debatable (see AIPAC). I think what he is saying is that the fascist governments and capabilities of Israel and the U.S. would have been envied by Nazi germany. Maybe he has a point. Just consider the recent round of violence (to put it lightly, some might call it ethnic cleansing) in gaza. Now consider the success of dehumanizing the palestinia…

Soo the rockets fired by Hamas into Israel are ... imaginary? fabricated? - I'm not there so I haven't seen them with my own eyes, but to classify the conflict as just "Israeli aggression" seems inaccurate given what I see and read in the news.

Update: Agree with smcl, disengaging ;)

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by dragonwriter »

josefresco wrote: post #161
yamayb wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think he means that Israel is pulling the strings -- but that is debatable (see AIPAC). I think what he is saying is that the fascist governments and capabilities of Israel and the U.S. would have been envied by Nazi germany. Maybe he has a point. Just consider the recent round of violence (to put it lightly, some might call it ethnic cleansing) in gaza. Now consider the success of dehumanizing the palestinia…

Soo the rockets fired by Hamas into Israel are ... imaginary? fabricated? - I'm not there so I haven't seen them with my own eyes, but to classify the conflict as just "Israeli aggression" seems inaccurate given what I see and read in the news. Update: Agree with smcl, disengaging ;)

Not agreeing with the characterization (any simplistic description of the Israel/Palestine conflict is flawed), but the existence of mutual conflict does not preclude the accuracy of the description of one side as the aggressor in a conflict.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by eli »

dredmorbius wrote: post #129
tptacek wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reprising a comment from a long time ago: Nacchio was convicted of running a pump-and-dump insider trading scam that netted him ~$100MM at the expense of common public shareholders. If there's an award for "most obnoxious implication of NSA's wrongdoing", it should go to the attempted rehabilitation of people like Nacchio. Here's the indictment. It's quite straightforward. http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/…

As has been noted below: an indictment is not a legal finding of fact. It's the worst possible case that the prosecution can make against the defense (in a criminal case). In a civil case, this would be the circumstance of the opening briefs of either side. An indictment will read very clearly, because that's how it's written . What it fails to do is take into account any exculpatory evidence or claims . This isn't p…

But wasn't he found guilty?

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by jdimov »

idlewords wrote: post #150
jdimov wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US and Israel now have what the Nazis could only dream about.

Decent jet engines! Seriously, you typed this statement and thought what? "Now we'll finally have a fruitful discussion on the hacker site"?

Frankly, I am appalled by the LACK of discussion of these topics on this hacker site. Why is there a taboo on politics? Why is it out of reach?

400 innocent children were killed indiscriminately in the span of 6 weeks in Gaza. But your vim configuration is more worthy of discussion here? Idk...

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by eli »

swartkrans wrote: post #17
xnull wrote: post #10

This is nothing compared to what allegedly happened to QWest. When the US Government was forcing telecom by telecom to install taps into their business's core routing hubs Joseph Nacchio, the CEO at the time, dug his heels in demanding legal avenues to avoid turning his back on QWest's customers. The US threatened to pull out large contracts that made up a large part of QWest's business. Furthermore, having been serv…

Was he actually guilty of insider trading?

The jury thought so beyond a reasonable doubt.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by zimpenfish »

jdimov wrote: post #164
idlewords wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent jet engines! Seriously, you typed this statement and thought what? "Now we'll finally have a fruitful discussion on the hacker site"?

Frankly, I am appalled by the LACK of discussion of these topics on this hacker site. Why is there a taboo on politics? Why is it out of reach? 400 innocent children were killed indiscriminately in the span of 6 weeks in Gaza. But your vim configuration is more worthy of discussion here? Idk...

I suspect it's minimised because a) politics is very much a personal thing which b) tends to explode very quickly into name-calling and sniping and c) there's already about 8 jillion political discussion places on the intertents.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by smcl »

josefresco wrote: post #161
yamayb wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think he means that Israel is pulling the strings -- but that is debatable (see AIPAC). I think what he is saying is that the fascist governments and capabilities of Israel and the U.S. would have been envied by Nazi germany. Maybe he has a point. Just consider the recent round of violence (to put it lightly, some might call it ethnic cleansing) in gaza. Now consider the success of dehumanizing the palestinia…

Soo the rockets fired by Hamas into Israel are ... imaginary? fabricated? - I'm not there so I haven't seen them with my own eyes, but to classify the conflict as just "Israeli aggression" seems inaccurate given what I see and read in the news. Update: Agree with smcl, disengaging ;)

It seems pretty obvious to me that "aggression" refers to the the parent's opinion that the Israeli response to the rockets was a little heavy-handed and unwarranted. We're getting really offtopic here however, HN is not the place to spar over the Israel\Palestine conflict. There's plenty of places on the web you can engage in this if you want, but be warned that doing so will end up resolving nothing and will leave you frustrated and angry.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by idlewords »

jdimov wrote: post #164
idlewords wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent jet engines! Seriously, you typed this statement and thought what? "Now we'll finally have a fruitful discussion on the hacker site"?

Frankly, I am appalled by the LACK of discussion of these topics on this hacker site. Why is there a taboo on politics? Why is it out of reach? 400 innocent children were killed indiscriminately in the span of 6 weeks in Gaza. But your vim configuration is more worthy of discussion here? Idk...

Technical forum is technical.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Post by idlewords »

IanDrake wrote: post #154
comrade1 wrote: post #27

I wish there was a way to post anon here. I create a new id every now and then and post but no one sees the posting because it's new... I wish more people would be outraged by where the u.s. Is going and just leave. If you're educated, have desirable skills, you can just come to Europe. If you think you can change what's happening in the u.s. I do not agree with you. You will lose to the political class. They have 10…

The US is still full of good people and so long as those people are allowed to have guns, I'm staying. Once the government disarms us, I'll probably leave. That will be the final nail in freedom's coffin.

I can't wait to disarm you, brother. And the country will be better for it. Hand over those guns!
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