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Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Well.. I dont. what purposes do indictments serve?

An indictnment is a charge; it is the prosecutors formal presentation of the evidence collected so far that show's that there's enough evidence that a trial should be held. As such, it's fairly one-sided. It's just what the prosecutor has presented to a grand jury, and the grand jury has said "yeah, that looks like enough evidence that it's worth having a trial." Note also that grand juries these days pretty much alw…

I've posted this before on the subject, but I particularly like the description given by Ken White at Popehat:

"Rather than tread over the ground well-described by my colleagues in the criminal defense bar, today I'd like to describe something else for you: what a federal grand jury proceeding looks like. From 1995 through 2000, I presented cases of varying complexity to federal grand juries as a federal prosecutor in Los Angeles. That experience did not inspire confidence in the process. Rather, it taught me that the adage that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich is an understatement. A better description would be that the prosecution can show a grand jury a shit sandwich and they will indict it as ham without looking up from their newspapers. The notion that the Supreme Court relies upon — that the grand jury has a "historical role of protecting individuals from unjust persecution" — is not a polite fiction. A polite fiction would have some grounding in reality. It's an offensive fiction, an impudent fiction, a fiction that slaps you across the face and calls your mother a dirty bitch."

http://www.popehat.com/2014/02/27/the-kaley-forfeiture-decis...

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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That's nonsense. The US was not involved in armed conflict from 1920 (end of involvement in the Russian Civil War) to 1941 (start of WWII). That's 21 years right there. Maybe they're saying that 21 years was the longest period between military conflicts.

> The US was not involved in armed conflict from 1920 (end of involvement in the Russian Civil War) to 1941 Except (among others): 1) The US intervention in the insurgency in Cuba (the "Sugar Intervention") which ran from 1917-1922. 2) The US intervention in China from about 1922-1927. 3) The use of the US military to clear the protesting "Bonus Army" of US veterans in Washington D.C. in 1932. There may be 21 years w…

I think you're stretching the term "armed conflict" beyond any reasonable usage. Would you consider Indonesia to be engaged in "armed conflict" in Lebanon because they contribute troops to UN peacekeeping there (UNIFIL)?

The original commenter is trying to compare the number of years the US was involved in military conflicts vs. Europe. If you're going to include events as obscure as the sugar intervention (of which I found very little mention in books about Cuban history and US/Caribbean relations) then I doubt the comparison would be very meaningful.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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So many people I talk to think the expanding tyranny primarily comes from politicians or bankers or corporations (the blame targets). When it actually comes from their fellow citizens, effectively voting away rights election after election for decades.

The problem is that the system from the beginning was rigged against major change with the two-party system and the way state vs. federal authority is set up. Most of the rights that we pride ourselves on today were gained by citizen action (strikes, demonstrations) that were more often than not violently oppressed by the authorities, until the pressure threatened to undermine the stability of the system, in which ca…

I think the state today is that people are conditioned over decades so much that they even forgot to protest. A few now and then like the Occupy protests which are quelled again and then nothing. I admire the people in the middle east for the bravery at all costs in protesting oppressive regimes

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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I wish there was a way to post anon here. I create a new id every now and then and post but no one sees the posting because it's new... I wish more people would be outraged by where the u.s. Is going and just leave. If you're educated, have desirable skills, you can just come to Europe. If you think you can change what's happening in the u.s. I do not agree with you. You will lose to the political class. They have 10…

The US is still full of good people and so long as those people are allowed to have guns, I'm staying.

Once the government disarms us, I'll probably leave. That will be the final nail in freedom's coffin.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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post #115

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In an era of 'parallel construction', you build a separate case and use that as leverage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

That's simply blackmail, not 'parallel construction'.

It'll get the job done.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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post #41
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Imagine what kind of secret programs are being pushed today that we will hear about in 2020, or longer. I have some guesses but they are so absurd I would be laughed off hn.

Yet we keep electing the same politicians that went along with all this. We deserve the tyranny.

“It was you! You who appointed these people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you!

While I’ll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of deliberate.

You have encouraged these malicious incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles.

You have accepted without question their senseless orders.

You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous and unproven machines.

You could have stopped them.

All you had to say was “No.

You have no spine. You have no pride.”

— V

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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> The US was not involved in armed conflict from 1920 (end of involvement in the Russian Civil War) to 1941 Except (among others): 1) The US intervention in the insurgency in Cuba (the "Sugar Intervention") which ran from 1917-1922. 2) The US intervention in China from about 1922-1927. 3) The use of the US military to clear the protesting "Bonus Army" of US veterans in Washington D.C. in 1932. There may be 21 years w…

I think you're stretching the term "armed conflict" beyond any reasonable usage. Would you consider Indonesia to be engaged in "armed conflict" in Lebanon because they contribute troops to UN peacekeeping there (UNIFIL)? The original commenter is trying to compare the number of years the US was involved in military conflicts vs. Europe. If you're going to include events as obscure as the sugar intervention (of which…

UNIFIL isn't an intervention as (like in China where the intervention was to protect US, etc., imperial interest in Shanghai from groups directly targeting them) or on behalf of (as in Cuba, where the intervention was directly on behalf of the government against rebels) a principal belligerent, so I think the attempted analogy fails.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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post #34

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Yahoo would have to take $90M/year charge and either give a reason to the SEC or just declare it classified which would be as good as saying the NSA is taking it.

It's unlikely this would stop at just $90M/year. There's no reason to believe the daily fine wouldn't continuously increase, or that executives wouldn't eventually be put in jail for contempt. And keep in mind you can be held in jail indefinitely for contempt of court, as long as you remain in noncompliance.

And again, good luck sending a Yahoo exec to jail with no public explanation.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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On the face of it sounds like a hard to comply with rule. If you worked high-up within a publicly traded company, you'd have to tell no one anything about your job.

So, don't communicate with the shareholders of a public company outside of official company channels. That's a fairly easy rule.

So, launder the information through a third party like Primary Global Research.
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