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Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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This is nothing compared to what allegedly happened to QWest. When the US Government was forcing telecom by telecom to install taps into their business's core routing hubs Joseph Nacchio, the CEO at the time, dug his heels in demanding legal avenues to avoid turning his back on QWest's customers. The US threatened to pull out large contracts that made up a large part of QWest's business. Furthermore, having been serv…

And this is exactly why we haven't had any leaks until Snowden.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#122
I applaud them for fighting this in some way but at the end of the day they'll probably comply somehow.

The curious mind in me would like to see a parallel universe in which a major company responds to these threads by leaving the US entirely (or threatening to do so) and then running an anti agency here campaign for years to spite them. Or maybe a big enough company that takes them heads on and crushes them...well I guess I've been reading too much dystopia fiction recently and am curious how the megacorps > governments scenario would actually be kickstarted.

[the situation is too sad for me to think about it in realistic terms, sorry for the minor derail]

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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post #122

I applaud them for fighting this in some way but at the end of the day they'll probably comply somehow. The curious mind in me would like to see a parallel universe in which a major company responds to these threads by leaving the US entirely (or threatening to do so) and then running an anti agency here campaign for years to spite them. Or maybe a big enough company that takes them heads on and crushes them...well I…

The company I worked for a few years ago (I'm not going to disclose who as I'll get shot) were an EU based insurance org and had a US subsidiary that they used for selling overseas. They had a 5 man legal team to keep the US govt off their backs. In the end they said "fuck it" and closed US operations down one afternoon with no noticed, cancelled everyone's policies and fired everyone (gave them 4 months pay at the same time).

Everyone was told why including the investors.

Not a major company (<$50M capital) but it stirred the pot big time in a particular sector of the insurance industry and pissed off a number of large investors in the US.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Weren't these requests, which Yahoo objected to, intended to stay secret, by the wishes of the government? Consider if Yahoo refused to honor the requests, and began accruing the fines. Presumably, if they didn't pay the huge bill for their fines, what would happen? Surely, $250k/day would rack up fast... As I see it, eventually Yahoo would rack up such a bill that they couldn't afford it, and any collection of the f…

they would just withdraw the money appropriate the company sell it off and install their security amongst employees.

i think I have seen it somewhere, hightway interdiction. I am sure that they have a way to do whatever they want.

nevermind bombing contries that refuse to give up controls to energy resources or are controlling flow of those. like um Syria or Ukraine.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#125
post #28

$250K/day -- someone had to come up with that number. Was it some high level official? An intern? I can imagine this dialogue taking place: ---- (Two bureaucrat monkeys. They just got back from lunch from cafeteria at Ft. Meade. Their tummies are bit heavy with greasy hamburgers. Settling in to finish their day before 2pm. One last thing needs to be done -- deciding on this PRISM non-compliance issue) M0: What if the…

Tony: Umm... Control? Control: Yes, Tony? Tony: If I may ask, how did you determine this sum of a 150,000 pounds a day? Control: A very good question, Tony. You see, I simply took the figure that our American cousins have calculated using a supercomputer, and converted the currency. Tony: That's very clever of you, Control. Control: Thank you, Tony. It proves that what we lack by way of resources we make up for with…

Tony and Control. I can't believe someone even remembers this! Now I'm depressed thinking about how Control had to fire Tony :(

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#126

Weren't these requests, which Yahoo objected to, intended to stay secret, by the wishes of the government? Consider if Yahoo refused to honor the requests, and began accruing the fines. Presumably, if they didn't pay the huge bill for their fines, what would happen? Surely, $250k/day would rack up fast... As I see it, eventually Yahoo would rack up such a bill that they couldn't afford it, and any collection of the f…

it would not be long before they would find a way to put the executives in jail. I do not doubt for one minute they would use other government agencies to intimidate, the IRS chief amongst them.

Not much will change until the people in Washington are changed and changed regularly. the system is engineered to protect those in office and they are very good at manipulating the public into helping them maintain that dominance; namely bills to supposedly prevent money in politics - except it really only blocks money for views that don't support their views.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#127

Anyone who believes that America champions freedom of speech and expression only has to go as far as the closest newspaper to discover that it's a bull-faced lie.

NB: usually given as "bald-faced lie".

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#128
A militarized police state, the state subjugating private businesses according to its needs, state intrusions into the most private spheres of its citizens, executions of US citizens without trial, kidnappings - it all looks like we are moving straight into fascism.

And I'm seeing the same pattern in the EU where I live since it basically copies whatever the US does.

"Fascist governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve the national interest."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

#129
post #59
post #10

This is nothing compared to what allegedly happened to QWest. When the US Government was forcing telecom by telecom to install taps into their business's core routing hubs Joseph Nacchio, the CEO at the time, dug his heels in demanding legal avenues to avoid turning his back on QWest's customers. The US threatened to pull out large contracts that made up a large part of QWest's business. Furthermore, having been serv…

Reprising a comment from a long time ago: Nacchio was convicted of running a pump-and-dump insider trading scam that netted him ~$100MM at the expense of common public shareholders. If there's an award for "most obnoxious implication of NSA's wrongdoing", it should go to the attempted rehabilitation of people like Nacchio. Here's the indictment. It's quite straightforward. http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/…

As has been noted below: an indictment is not a legal finding of fact. It's the worst possible case that the prosecution can make against the defense (in a criminal case). In a civil case, this would be the circumstance of the opening briefs of either side.

An indictment will read very clearly, because that's how it's written.

What it fails to do is take into account any exculpatory evidence or claims.

This isn't proof against Nacchio. You've mistaken a court finding for a lawyer's filing.

Re: Feds Threatened to Fine Yahoo $250K Daily for Not Complying with NSA's PRISM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You of all people should know better than to give any credence to indictments . You know what purpose they serve, right?

Well.. I dont. what purposes do indictments serve?

It's the prosecution making its strongest possible case against the defendant. It's not a court finding of fact or law, but the one-sided case made by the prosecutorial team.
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