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An open letter on feminism in tech

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Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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> I say she deserves a beating if that was true. Just want to emphasize that sentence there.

Because you don't have a response other than to cherry pick sentences that sound bad out of context? Go right ahead, buddy.

> Because you don't have a response other than to cherry pick sentences that sound bad out of context? Go right ahead, buddy.

You have a context that makes domestic violence acceptable? I sure didn't see it in your parent comment.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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Given the scores of my posts have been ping-ponging around all day, I'm not sure the evidence lies where you think it does.

For someone with year old account you sure did not see enough feminism/"sexism" treads where every rational comment that doesn't play along feminist bs gets down-voted to hellban levels.

Or, as an alternate explanation, I happen to not agree with you, and know what actual feminist spaces look like enough to know HN isn't even close to one.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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I'm genuinely curious as to why you asked the question to begin with.

I'm one of the posters of this article, it was infuriating to me to have my experiences discounted.

This is a perfect example of how not to engage men on this topic.

I said "I'm genuinely curious", which was a chance for opening a dialogue.

You respond by using implicature to paint me in such a negative light.

Did you do it because you're being defensive of the article, or because you're being defensive of the ideas in the article?

I don't know, and I don't care, what I do know is that if I can't trust you to be reasonable with something like written text that you can go back and read again to make sure you got the meaning (and ask for clarification), why should I trust your experiences?

and that is an honest question.

If you had any idea the damage you do to yourself and your beliefs with that behavior, I suspect you would take steps to stop doing it.

There are many, like myself, who don't want to deal with it, and certainly don't want to deal with being treated like that. As they say, two wrongs don't make a right, stop treating men in this manner.

Playing the victim card, even if it's sometimes valid, doesn't actually help you.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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> If you see someone engage in bad behavior and you do nothing, you've chosen to let that person think that what they did is okay. This leaves us feeling like we’re fighting this alone.

There is easily dozens (hundreds?) of "fights" that I could get into everyday but I don't. I'm not really a confrontational person. Please don't take it personally when this fight is also one I don't get into.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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Why you appear not to believe them (I can't know your beliefs I can only guess based off the text of your comment): 1. Has any man here "heard of, or come into contact with any of" any of this behavior? 2. Personally, "I have never seen it anywhere I worked, or heard of that sort of thing through word of mouth..."* These statements suggest strong skepticism. Analogy: "Has anyone here actually experienced or come into…

I tend to think that skepticism is a good thing.

I tend to think a lot of things are good things that can also be abused.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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Your implication here is that people who identify under your listed banners cannot be jerks. This is simply an outright falsehood. An ideology that insists it cannot have jerks among its ranks is one that probably needs to look in the mirror.

If you do not believe in the inherent equality and humanity of men and women (along with all other marginalized groups), then yes, it's safe to say that you are indeed a jerk.

That wasn't the responder's point. The point was that even people who do (at least by their own report) believe in the inherent equality and humanity of men and women (along with all other marginalized groups) can still be jerks. That's why we should focus on jerkitude, period.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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Ahh, so all of those racist Aryan Nation members are just parodies, since the marketing slogan of the Aryan Nation claims their ideology to be one of "love and pride".

I call Godwin's law on your "feminism=nazism" false eqivalence

http://www.salon.com/2010/07/01/godwin/

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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You should probably read this article: http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-t... Specifically, this part from the bottom of the article: Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy. Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and f…

Some concrete evidence: http://www.policymic.com/articles/88277/23-ways-feminism-has...

And here I thought Rosa Parks was a racial issue, not a gender one.

While I agree that feminism has had some positive effects, I take issue with feminism taking credit for "anything a woman has done ... ever".

Did feminism invent programming and find the first bug ever?Or was that Ada Lovelace, because I'm starting to be unsure...

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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> Feminism is the radical notion that women are people, and that we want to be treated as equals. Don’t let someone else pretend otherwise out of their own misguided notions. So what do we call the feminists who work to suppress research that shows gender symmetry in domestic violence? What do we call the feminists who demonize men as rapists, deadbeats, child molesters, and abusers? What do we call the feminists who…

"So what do we call the feminists who ..." A parody. That one's easy.

addendum: this was teasing and perhaps a bit snarky, but there is no rational analysis in which the parents characterization is typical of feminist practice or rhetoric. Which is a very different thing from finding someone who claims the label "feminist" and espouses these views or any other.

This sort of characterization by outliers and strawmen (women?) is ridiculous, but also damaging to the possibility of reasonable discussion. Shame on you for engaging in it.

That said, it was silly of me to engage in this sort of discussion here, it's not likely to go anywhere useful. I should probably just delete this and be done with it.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

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For someone with year old account you sure did not see enough feminism/"sexism" treads where every rational comment that doesn't play along feminist bs gets down-voted to hellban levels.

Or, as an alternate explanation, I happen to not agree with you, and know what actual feminist spaces look like enough to know HN isn't even close to one.

I am not saying this is "actual feminist space". All I am saying is that indoctrination is visible. If this was "actual feminist space" everyone that doesn't agree with them would be instantly banned (and reported to ISP/Police for hate speech).
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