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Many of them do. The ones going on crusades do not, they are the ones I'm specifically referring to.
Stupid crusading women complaining about being harassed at work. Why can't they just write code like I do? When I write code, nobody ever bothers me!
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I don't identify as an "MRA" nor do I think your assessment of my post as "boring" is cogent. In fact, I would consider your attempted ad-hominem lazy.
Your assumption that I'm actually opting-in to standard rules of debate rather than just making a general comment is also boring, for the same reason your other post was: I've seen it before, it's old. You aren't wrong, you're just uninformed. You should read more of what women write.
I really have to take exception at your suggestion that I haven't read enough things written by women, because I have: from The Tale of Genji to Feminist Interpretations of Saint Augustine
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Woman developer here. That's the one piece of advice I give to men who ask what they can do to help. I've had way more men come to me privately after an incident to apologize for being a witness and saying nothing than have actively stepped in to stop what was going on. I wish it were the other way around.
why should they? I mean that honestly because context matters. Why didn't you say something? Why should they be expected to step up and say something if you yourself are not willing to (was it a superior, for example?). Was there some brouhaha in which they sat silent while you had to defend yourself? And why not ask them if you can submit their name to HR as a witness to the behavior instead of getting disappointed…
Women already have less power because they are in a minority. It seems as though you want them to take responsibility for all cultural change.
It sounds as though you don't think there is a problem.
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The notion that HN is "feminist indoctrinated" is absurd.
Take a look who is getting up-voted and who gets down-voted. Now open your eyes and think.
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I can't even read it with a straight face.
And it's exactly this sort of visceral reaction that will keep the "women are victims" meme going long after we're all dead. It's evolutionarily beneficial, after all, we are descended from twice as many women as men. You don't think that happened purely by coincidence or as a "societal construct" did you?
It's a reaction to the idea that men having their own struggles must, invariably, be parsed as a zero-sum game against women, and the toxic idea that for men to benefit, somehow women must lose.
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Many of them do. The ones going on crusades do not, they are the ones I'm specifically referring to.
I hear you. But I hear them, too. They just want to develop software, and to ignore all this other BS, and the BS keeps hitting them, and they're tired of having to deal with it. I can see why, too. I can see how this stuff would get to you after a year or two, or a decade or two. I think the takeaway from their point is, they need to attack specifics when they occur. But I think your point is, they need to not make…
That's true, but it's also life in general, I'll explain what I mean.
I'm an agnostic who tends towards atheism with a very specific policy. I will not lie to people about my religious views, but I will let them make assumptions. Many people assume I'm Christian and I never disabuse them of that notion. The reason is simple: For me, the issue isn't important. I believe more in people than ideologies. For them, it is important, so let them have their comfort. Their beliefs do not offend me, and I defend their right to have them without harassment (I dislike Atheism in general even though I tend towards that thought process).
In all my years, I've only ever had a single person ask me straight out if I was Christian (in a work environment). I was working through an outsourcing company, and a week later they were asked to replace me with someone else. In essence I was "fired".
It's was unfair, and it was crap. I doubt you'll find many people who will disagree with you. Could it truly have been a coincidence? Possibly, but I find the likelihood of it very doubtful.
I took it as just more bullshit that's happened. I didn't get particularly offended by it, I certainly didn't start painting everyone with the brush that I'm a victim and they're terrible.
people are shit sometimes, you just move on. You deal with your own shit.
This is all to say that I understand their point of view, and this is one of the reasons why I reject them in general.
To bring it back on topic, it is tough, and maybe it is unfair. But woman have a right to an opportunity, they do not have a right to no bullshit. Someone making unwanted sexual advances isn't a problem. Someone doing it after it's been made clear they're unwanted is. Someone playing grabass is absolutely a problem that needs to be dealt with immediately.
However, someone dismissing an opinion because they have a bias against women is not something they need to be crusading against, and the reason is quite simple: I've had my opinion dismissed for being male (by them), for being a software developer (by business people), for political reasons (I'm a freelance software dev... I'm sure you can imagine).
There are shit environments no matter who you are, what you believe, or what you look like. But you deal with them and move on because that's life, it isn't perfect, and you do not have a right to everyone being perfectly fair to you.
This is a separate issue from why women do not join our industry, but it gets conflated. We do not have a problem with women entering our industry and then leaving (anymore than men). We have a problem with women not entering at all.
They hurt themselves by conflating the two, and causing many people (like me) to stop listening to them. At the end of the day, we have to deal with shit too, and when they put themselves on the list of shit we have to deal with, we have a tendency to simply move on. We cannot emotionally engage, because we'll get angry.
If they want us to emotionally engage, they need to approach it differently.
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"He already pled guilty." Looks like someone didn't bother to click through to the meaty articles about that point. The police dropped all charges against him, and he plead to a misdemeanor with a fine. Imagine this... You find out your partner of who knows how long, has been having unprotected sex for money for (I think the article said years). I say she deserves a beating if that was true. In my book, she's throwin…
> I say she deserves a beating if that was true. Just want to emphasize that sentence there.
>> We are not the 'nice feminists' of this community. > Being nice doesn’t work. We’ve been nice. In this article you were actually all nice and I read right to the bottom. I certainly do find it a lot easier to listen to and agree with people that aren't spilling hatred at me. I never want to feel like I'm giving time to somebody trying to extract some psychological harm as revenge on my gender - whether or not they…
There is one, but it's extremely drastic: We would have to completely taboo group identification, everywhere, all the time. Everybody would have to be judged solely as an individual, on the individual merits of their case.
Unfortunately, we humans are social animals who evolved to form dominance and status hierarchies, so I strongly doubt this solution would actually be stable.
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Take a look who is getting up-voted and who gets down-voted. Now open your eyes and think.
Given the scores of my posts have been ping-ponging around all day, I'm not sure the evidence lies where you think it does.
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I have seen it once, in one of my employees. I fired him. I still don't like the ultra-feminist movement though. Hate doesn't achieve much good.
There is no "ultra-feminist movement"; feminism is an umbrella term for a multitude of movements across time and geography. Each movement is understood within a context, and some take more time to understand than others. I would suggest the book Gender Inequality by Judith Lorber as a starting point.