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Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by enry_straker »

axc123 wrote: post #50
enry_straker wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really. I guess you are entitled to your own imagination.

Your aggression and quips do nothing but reveal your insecurity and obviously degrade a rather sensible thread into a showdown of your ego. Kindly refrain.

Passive aggressively imagining things and projecting it on others is going to get you nowhere.

If you have something useful or even your own opinion to contribute, do so. I see that you have nothing to contribute except with your imagination

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by thewarrior »

kamaal wrote: post #48
denzil_correa wrote: post #21

One of my colleagues was taking an interview of a potential candidate who listed "Python" as a core programming language. This is similar to most interviews I've been part of. Here's how it went - Interviewer : Name some data structures in Python Interviewee : Same as C, C++ Interviewer : Can you name some specific data structures? For example, have you heard about lists? Interviewee : I haven't heard about lists in…

I once had a experience with a colleague. She would continually come to me to parse XMLs and give it to her in some format like a csv which she could open it in Microsoft excel for some report generation purposes. It started to happen pretty frequently and would consume a great deal of my time- It was reaching a stage where I had to stop my work to do her's. After a time she would just show up at my desk with her lap…

That seems like a pretty brutal way to treat someone. Not that I'm excusing their behaviour.

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by thewarrior »

unlimit wrote: post #49
kamaal wrote: post #2

Your post has a lot of gems, but you also misunderstand a lot about what is going on in Indian society. I am not surprised, not a least bit. >>I am sorry to say this, but parents come with an “old generation” mindset ... Because they think that if he gets a job he has settled in life ... Unfortunately, what they don’t realize is that there is no such thing as “settling” in IT jobs. They come with a very correct minds…

I work at one of these IT service companies. This year I complete my 10 years. I love coding, solving problems and learning new things. But unfortunately, with extreme reluctance I will have to become one of these managers. I just do not have any other way, no body cares about writing code here and writing good code will not get you nowhere. I am too old for the product companies and I am not from a top tier college.…

Any advice for someone who has completed just 1 year ?

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by unlimit »

thewarrior wrote: post #53
unlimit wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at one of these IT service companies. This year I complete my 10 years. I love coding, solving problems and learning new things. But unfortunately, with extreme reluctance I will have to become one of these managers. I just do not have any other way, no body cares about writing code here and writing good code will not get you nowhere. I am too old for the product companies and I am not from a top tier college.…

Any advice for someone who has completed just 1 year ?

First question - do you like programming? If not get out. If you like programming, get better. Learn algos, lookup open source projects, dig through the code. That is how I learnt. Build something - it could be a website, an app. Try showcasing it, it may open opportunities.

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by thewarrior »

unlimit wrote: post #54
thewarrior wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any advice for someone who has completed just 1 year ?

First question - do you like programming? If not get out. If you like programming, get better. Learn algos, lookup open source projects, dig through the code. That is how I learnt. Build something - it could be a website, an app. Try showcasing it, it may open opportunities.

Yes I like coding. I'll try and do what you suggested. But how did you find the time ? It gets very hectic at time doesn't it ?

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by rahul_rai »

enry_straker wrote: post #26
rahul_rai wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 20+ year old with Google at his disposal, has 0 reasons to complain when it education and knowledge these days WRONG Totally Where would a 20 year old learn about a driver code written 15 years back , with no documents? This job would feed him And it is hard.

I call BS on that attitude. First, the author was making a generic point. Your contribution is to point out some silly exception. However, if a 20 year old had the driver's code, he can learn to look at the code of similar driver's or failing that learn to read the code, and run them through a kernel-level debugger. If he doesn't know how to do that, there are resources available on the internet to show him how.

Where do you find a similar iscsi driver code written for windows NT

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by rahul_rai »

okpatil wrote: post #9

I am a start up founder as well and I am facing the same problem. Most of freshers applying for the jobs claim to have decent "Java", "SQL" knowledge in their resume. But they cannot even write a simple program that reads and writes to a file. They don't even know that there is something called "Open Source Technology". Absolutely no one has hands on experience with Linux. And they haven't even heard of technologies…

I had to invest in their training.

You see the problem.

Why are you not getting people from non tier 3 colleges and choose to not "train" them?

Your choice of "tier 3 " college graduates proves a lot about you.

What you want is pay these "tier3" college grads a minimum amount of money and then charge your clients/sell a produnt to get maximum profit.

No Sir , you are the one to blame yourself.

The greed and un ethical attitude of peopel like you and IT service companies is the one to blame.

First you want chaep labor , then you hire people for cheap , then you blame the education system.

If the IT companies really wanted a good supply of engineers why have they not opened an engineering college in India?

Becasue , No one after graduating from these colleges(assuming they deploy good teachers) would choose to work on BS maintiance projects.

Ok , please kill your body shop attitude , where you want people to work for you and YOU WANT profit. If you want to create value , then either work for self or hire people whom you need not train.

Do not blame an engineering college.

Open one , I double dare these Infosys shit companies.

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by rahul_rai »

arocks wrote: post #20

This post captures very accurately the engineering education scene in India. I would add that many students today are actually aware of what they are getting into (Most of the times, they don’t need engineers but mere “coders”). Unless they are living under a rock, their predecessors have already told them that by now. Going further the students who were pressurized to take up engineering are now using these jobs as…

>>This post captures very accurately ................

It also captures very accurately the following.

The definition of a start up in India. No start up wants to create value for society. Their immediate concern is making money /monetizing. The start up founder is someone who has some money and wants to make more money from that money. Then he wants some engineers/coders/designers to do the job.

The so called start up founder also wants it do in minimum amount of money. Hence the start up founder chooses people who are not costly. He finds the not costly people to have lack of skills. And then he blogs and blames the Indian Education System.

THE INDIAN EDUCATION SYSTEMS WILL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE SMALL NUMBER OF GOOD ENGINEERS . IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING WHICH HAS SOME VALUE FOR SOCIETY , THEN HIRE THE GOOD PEOPLE.

BUT BLAME YOURSELF IF YOU CANNOT HIRE GOOD PEOPLE, DO NOT BLAME THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. you want profit , everyone wants profit, why would anyone work for 25k rupees per month while you charge your clients something 90k rupees per month. Stop this body shopping attitude. Just because you know linux kernel and some open source ROR does not gives you any power to blame people whose parents did not purchase them a Desktop when they were 13.

Just because you know void * (x)(int,char)[66] does not entitle you to exploit people at so 10k per month who do not know C. Stop blaming the Education system. Start hiring good people or go to hell. Fuck your luck on scaling a body shop.

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by rahul_rai »

I see such articles a lot in the Internet press.

Indian Graduates being un employable .

Such articles are published by INDIAN START UPS/CEO OF INDIAN START UPS/VIPRO/INFOSYS/rest of body shops.

Has anyone wondered that why don't we see such articles by Real companies/Real start ups/Real Universities which are not BODY SHOPS ?

See the problem is GREED AND UN ETHICS. Every start up wants to become a body shop. Every Indian CEO wants to make a lot of money by adding more people and scaling the billing rate. The small app development companies oped by those TOMS AND HARRY want to employ a DICK to do "iPhone Development" at for minimum amount of money and henceforth make maximum amount of money.

NEWSFLASH: YOU

yes , THE ONE BLAMING THE PARENTS, THE ONE BLAMING THE QUALITY OF GRADUATES, THE ONE WRITING AN OPEN LETTER TO INDIAN GRADUATING CLASS , THE ONE BLOGGING ABOUT LACK OF CODING SKILLS,

YOU

ARE NOT GETTING GOOD PEOPLE IF YOU ARE NOT PAYING GOOD (Exception being the Linux Kernel , but that is open and free for everyone).

The IT services companies and the people claiming to run start ups - they have just one goal in their life -

EXPLOITATION -

They ARE NOT ABLE TO DO EXPLOITATION at lesser salaries , hence they are ranting. Such rant has been too much wide spread during the last 5 years.

I have an open question to these IT companies and such start up CEOs? Why have you not invested in opening a University/Engineering College?

Why has not Infoys/CTS opened a an engineering college?

They can train so many people for 4 months but why not for a 4 year degree program?

They would have have to deploy good faculty in these colleges .(They have a brand name to keep).

Simple Reason - No one would choose(after graduating from InfoSys Engineering college) to work for 10$ per day doing maintenance jobs while the company is charging the clients >10$ per hour.

MY TAKE ON SUCH PEOPLE WHO ARE BLAMING THE EDUCATION SYSTEM---

Why are you blaming the system.

IF YOU WANT CAPABLE ENGINEERS , YOU NEED TO PAY THEM.

YOU WANT TO MAKE MAXIMUM PROFIT ,BUT YOU WANT TO PAY MINIMUM SALARY, BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM SIGN A SERVICE CONTRACT,YOU WANT THEM TO NOT LEAVE, YOU WANT THEM DO DELIVERY AFTER DELIVERY, YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE YOU RICHER -

no SIR , YOU ARE NOT GETTING THAT.

Stop blaming the Engineering Education in India ,Stop thinking that cunning bastards like NM are entrepreneurs- They are not your role model.

EM is your role model.

DO NOT BLAME SOMEONE ELSE'S PARENTS IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO PROFIT FROM THEIR SON/DAUGHTER'S BODIES.

Re: The Story of Engineering Education in India

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Post by rahul_rai »

av501 wrote: post #12

Having interviewed 100+ candidates in past 2 years for my own startup and a similar number before in my previous job, I completely understand what the author is trying to say. Believe me when I say that 90% of my interviews simply stop at the first question (Can you write a function in C which given an integer array and its size as arguments, returns the number of zeros in an array?). My interview then turns in a sma…

90% of my interviews simply stop at the first question (Can you write a function in C which given an integer array and its size as arguments, returns the number of zeros in an array?)

So , you are claim to run a start up and your job requirements are such that such students make to your interview?

How much are you willing to pay. 3/5/7 thousand Rupee per month.

If your CTC is so low , are you expecting to find what , kernel hackers at such cost.

Here is Advice - Kill your greedy attitude. Kill your dream that you would be ever successful. Kill your body shopping attitude.

The problem is people like you , you want people at so cheap price for you so called "start up" and then you rant on Internet that you cannot find people with skills. The real reason is you are finding it hard to find people to exploit.

If you want better people , you need to pay them . BUT ALAS , why would you want to pay them? Mr, NM is your role model.

Good luck on scaling your worthless start up.

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