The Story of Engineering Education in India
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The Story of Engineering Education in India
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#2>>I am sorry to say this, but parents come with an “old generation” mindset ... Because they think that if he gets a job he has settled in life ... Unfortunately, what they don’t realize is that there is no such thing as “settling” in IT jobs.
They come with a very correct mindset. For many people here. Including my own family, getting to a IT job was a long drawn battle against very tough financial conditions, social pressures and all other kinds of problems. There are people, including few of friends where they were the first people to enter a Engineering college. Imagine having to drive a taxi, or an auto rickshaw, or pushing a vegetable cart, or a small time farm worker practically working 18 hrs/day and then sacrificing every small desire of yours to save every single paise and doing this for decades you can so that your child can study. And imagine the kid, having to wear only two shirts and two pants a year. Traveling in near-to-explode crowded buses in a city starving all afternoon, and practicing math problems on a newspaper just to get a decent degree and a job.
From their perspective, they are really reaching a milestone, when they get a full time job. At least that is how I felt I when I got my full time job at a Call center here in Bangalore. You might think that's a disaster for an engineer. But from my perspective, the analogy is similar to a person dying out of thirst in a desert getting a glass of cold water, and you criticizing him for not aiming for Apple juice.
Its extremely difficult to understand this, unless you have suffered the same fate. Even if you think you do, you don't. You really need to suffer from it, to understand what it is.
Remainder of your post has some nice insights. But I believe our society suffers from a crisis of honesty. Throughout my entire childhood, teens and now in a job I see rampant corruption. I don't mean bribery. But unfair play of all kinds. Question papers in exams getting leaked, seats in colleges being secured through 'high influences' & capitation fees, Seats denied to general category students due to reservations.
And now in the corporate job, I don't see things as any different here. In fact this is the worst I'm seeing in my life. Even if you are the best programmer out there, you will be slaughtered in the resulting office politics. I've seen some super idiots being promoted, sent to onsite locations, and given amazing hikes just because his manager happens to be speaking the same language as him, or belongs to same state from some part of India, or is because of some religion. At the same time, the entire industry is full jumping jacks, attrition in nearly every company is record high. Because every one wants to be a manager, thanks to the IT services companies and the mess they created in 90's. Now every one joining this industry thinks programmers are losers, and climbing the corporate ladder is all that is sole measure of one's success, or how many time one has visited the US.
Meritocracy is dead in the water, when it comes to the programming scene in India. If you want progress, you need to be some managers's pet and "suck up" to him. Playing political games, and being in manager's power structure is all that counts. Else find your self a manager who is of your state or speaks your language.
This has nothing to do with engineering education. Its about being honest and playing fair. Besides I chuckle every time a guy gives 'engineering education' as a reason to not do something. A 20+ year old with Google at his disposal, has 0 reasons to complain when it education and knowledge these days.
Start up's and bootstrapping are our only hope at this point of time.
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#4Your post has a lot of gems, but you also misunderstand a lot about what is going on in Indian society. I am not surprised, not a least bit. >>I am sorry to say this, but parents come with an “old generation” mindset ... Because they think that if he gets a job he has settled in life ... Unfortunately, what they don’t realize is that there is no such thing as “settling” in IT jobs. They come with a very correct minds…
WRONG
Totally
Where would a 20 year old learn about a driver code written 15 years back , with no documents? This job would feed him And it is hard.
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#5The Truman Show reality. Truman learns there is something very wrong with reality. They tell him to get a job. He says, "fuck-off".
God says... C:\TAD\Text\QUIX.TXT
our Casildea de Vandalia in beauty; and in addition to this you must promise, if you should survive this encounter and fall, to go to the city of El Toboso and present yourself before her on my behalf, that she deal with you according to her good pleasure; and if she leaves you free to do yours, you are in like manner to return and seek me out (for the trail of my mighty deeds will serve you as a guide to lead you to where I may be), and tell me what may have passed between you and her-conditions wh
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#6Your post has a lot of gems, but you also misunderstand a lot about what is going on in Indian society. I am not surprised, not a least bit. >>I am sorry to say this, but parents come with an “old generation” mindset ... Because they think that if he gets a job he has settled in life ... Unfortunately, what they don’t realize is that there is no such thing as “settling” in IT jobs. They come with a very correct minds…
A 20+ year old with Google at his disposal, has 0 reasons to complain when it education and knowledge these days WRONG Totally Where would a 20 year old learn about a driver code written 15 years back , with no documents? This job would feed him And it is hard.
But, they get good enough help on writing device drivers and troubleshooting them. That is all you need, and you have to take it from there.
There is nothing like copy-paste if your are solving a new problem. You have to incrementally work your way to a solution.
If you think that is not possible for a person, they must rethink and chose a different profession instead.
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#8"we can expect a new technology that we don’t even have now to get outdated before our lifetime." Very well said and so true. People must Adapt in order to cope up. Probably online education programs (MIT/Coursera etc)play vital role here in learning new domains/skills and keep us going...
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#9They don't even know that there is something called "Open Source Technology". Absolutely no one has hands on experience with Linux. And they haven't even heard of technologies like ROR and Node.js.
I had to invest in their training. But even after 3 months of rigorous training, they still fail to grasp basic concepts.
I am not blaming parents for their child's failure. Of course, they pray that he should have a better life than themselves. That's why they pay for his education.
I will blame these petty colleges with their petty engineering degrees.
Paid projects are killing "problem solving attitude" of entire engineering generation.