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>the ANC (and Mandela) haven't exactly been angles, either. On the contrary, one could say they were a bit... acute .
Now you're just being obtuse...
Sorry, it's a reflex!
Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU
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Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with foreigners having rights is that it goes against very deep principles in the western tradition. If sovereignty means anything, it means the inherent power to create and enforce borders. Its like one of the defining charecteristics of a biological cell: the establishment of an "inside" and an "outside." Subjecting the inherent power of a sovereign entity to control access through its borders to judici…
> The problem with foreigners having rights is that it goes against very deep principles in the western tradition. Except the Supreme Court has upheld various rights foreigners have w/r/t the bill of rights.
When I say "foreigners" I mean people who are neither U.S. citizens nor on U.S. soil. See: http://www.salon.com/2010/02/01/collins_5.
See in particular his quote from Scalia's dissent in Boumediene:
“The alien, to whom the United States has been traditionally hospitable, has been accorded a generous and ascending scale of rights as he increases his identity with our society . . . .
“But, in extending constitutional protections beyond the citizenry, the Court has been at pains to point out that it was the alien’s presence within its territorial jurisdiction that gave the Judiciary power to act.” Id., at 770–771.
Not even Glen Greenwald claims that the U.S. Constitution applies to non-citizens trying to board a plane in Cairo.
Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU
#193I wonder if this is one of those vague "security" problems. It seems like if people get denied for normal stuff (overstaying, violating their visas, etc) they're told and can at least fight it a little. But when you get a black mark against you it seems like you get stuck in an administrative blackhole where nobody is authorised to tell you WHY or they themselves don't know. It was the same way with the no-fly list f…
> Americans don't want people visiting, working, or studying on their shores. This is utterly false and unfair. Please don't lump the entire US population with a few ignorant morons who have not seen the world five miles outside their home town. A quick look at our universities is proof enough that what you are saying is incorrect. The last time I visited MIT it almost felt like I was outside the US.
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Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU
#194Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Americans don't want people visiting, working, or studying on their shores. This is utterly false and unfair. Please don't lump the entire US population with a few ignorant morons who have not seen the world five miles outside their home town. A quick look at our universities is proof enough that what you are saying is incorrect. The last time I visited MIT it almost felt like I was outside the US.
> This is utterly false and unfair. Please don't lump the entire US population with a few ignorant morons who have not seen the world five miles outside their home town. A quick look at our universities is proof enough that what you are saying is incorrect. The last time I visited MIT it almost felt like I was outside the US. If anything I've been surprised at how consistently keen Americans are for high-skill immigr…
it is part of our evil plot. intellectual gravity as it were.
people in the middle (of the country) just don't get that economics are not zero sum. how empowered smart people tend to make more money, even if that means that they have to invent more money to make.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you live, where the government either isn't cooperating with the US or its allies or else doing its own spying and censorship, and isn't a corrupt, money-hungry beast? I might just pack my own bags and go myself. Assuming there are jobs for foreigners.
IMO the US is with China a step ahead everybody else Russia included. They also have the resources for this and control over the main companies spearheading these developments. Couple with a shadow federal government with absolute power, and the most sedated, naive, "cooperative" and docile population in existence. It's really a scary place to live. Surely IT jobs do pay well there though.
Just because the United States happens to be better at it at the moment, doesn't mean other governments aren't complicit or wouldn't jump at the chance for total information awareness themselves.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Americans don't want people visiting, working, or studying on their shores. This is utterly false and unfair. Please don't lump the entire US population with a few ignorant morons who have not seen the world five miles outside their home town. A quick look at our universities is proof enough that what you are saying is incorrect. The last time I visited MIT it almost felt like I was outside the US.
While I agree with you on principle, the number of anti-immigration xenophobes is much greater than "a few ignorant morons". A few ignorant morons would not be able to elect so many congressmen over such a long period of time to support their agenda. Places like MIT hold the true minority opinion.
Many European nations also have extremely loud but -- in comparison to the rest of their population/government -- small groups with extreme anti-immigration/"nationalist" stances. Some of them even get significant media coverage, or have control of a major news outlet or two.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's this about a student visa? A student visa is a completely legal way of entering the US. PS. Post the Boston bombings the immigration officials at the port of entry are required to verify valid student status before letting students (F1 visa holders) into the US. This means the chances of people entering the country illegally through a student visa are slim to none.
It's fairly common to come in on a "Student" visa to study at a community college or take night courses while also holding a full-time job. It's also common to skip the facade entirely - Use visa to gain entry, take job on forged credentials, stay past expiration. The student visa does allow the holder to work, but it is intended to be secondary to the education, and history has shown that it is not.
I don't think someone who went JHU, and was planning on joining MSR, would be, to not put too fine a point, the
kind of person you're alluding to.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your taxes also pay--though usually not completely--for the aimless four year party that constitutes many college students' experience in higher education. Given the ratio of undergraduates to science & engineering PhD students, I'd wager that the former consumes a much larger portion of your taxes than the latter, and for less return on the investment. Not to mention the fact that many foreign PhD students have stro…
I shouldn't be concerned about wastage in one area because there's wastage in another area? Doesn't compute. > Not to mention the fact that many foreign PhD students have strong desires to live and work here...but Uncle Sam apparently thinks it's better to shove them out. Yes, I believe this. As long as Uncle Sam is cutting off its nose to spite its face, maybe we shouldn't be educating these foreign students. Maybe…
In this case, a PhD education in science or engineering is only "wasted" because our existing laws don't allow the student to make use of it domestically. Thus it is all cost and no benefit (at least not to the U.S. -- other countries will be happy to accept them, especially since they are already educated). Failing to make use of their skills is what doesn't compute.
Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU
#200My taxes pay for the expensive university education of foreigners, without guarantee they can stay? Great.
Stop carving the world into football teams, genwin.
There's value in having a highly-educated __world__ population.