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Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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Post by robomartin »

kaoD wrote: post #134
robomartin wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing like real data. The US has over three times more immigrants than any other country. I should also note it is my belief --my belief-- that most people in the US, outside of certain groups, are for LEGAL immigration. Don't come here illegally or with a student visa and then cry foul if not welcomed. EDIT: the reference to student visas is about using them illegally to get in and then stay. It is NOT about not a…

> The US has over three times more immigrants than any other country. Which is completely irrelevant because the US is hundreds of times larger than many countries. That's why we use percentages.

The claim is that Americans don't want anyone to come here. That is utterly false and it is fully supported by this data. Your point might have been valid if the topic at hand were different.

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Post by cunac »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #12

I wonder if this is one of those vague "security" problems. It seems like if people get denied for normal stuff (overstaying, violating their visas, etc) they're told and can at least fight it a little. But when you get a black mark against you it seems like you get stuck in an administrative blackhole where nobody is authorised to tell you WHY or they themselves don't know. It was the same way with the no-fly list f…

I am not US citizen but visa policy is virtually same for any issuing country. Getting visa (any kind) is privilege not right. Government has full discretionary right to refuse entry to anybody whom is not citizen.

Not saying it is fair system but it is what it is. Except full open border policy I don't see how you can fix system.

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Post by mpyne »

mhurron wrote: post #81
l33tbro wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm, I think HN is pretty great for interesting news from decent sources (usually Atlantic, NYT, New Yorker, etc). I also think people getting questionably denied entrance to the US is pretty newsworthy given the bomb that has been dropped in the last few days. Maybe don't click if it doesn't interest you?

They can deny you for any reason. Very literally any reason. It's not newsworthy, they've been able to do this since the US started to control immigration and it is not related to what the NSA has been doing since basically the NSA has been in existence. People are trying so hard to find tangible evidence of someone doing something with info the NSA has collected that they are latching on to anything that could be co…

It's almost like that example Doctorow gave about false positives when you're searching for very rare events... now HN is "flagging" every government screw-up involving non-Americans as being due to PRISM.

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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Post by hpagey »

lanaius wrote: post #18
lmgftp wrote: post #2

Their decision was probably based in some way (assuming it's based on available information, which is admittedly risky) in his marriage to a foreign national while expressing interest in moving to the states, and the embassy's reluctance to chance him violating his visa permissions and in some way moving here with his wife in a permanent resident-alien w/o a visa type manner. Not claiming to know anything special, bu…

I have been told by other foreign graduate students that getting married in another country (possibly even married at all) violates that student visa agreements. One girl is French and marrying an American, she was told that if she goes to France to have a wedding ceremony that she would not be allowed back in to America. This sounds exactly like what happened to this student. It's shameful and bizarre, but it appear…

No it doesn't. It only matters if a student's spouse is an US Citizen. F1 is a non immigrant visa and student is not allowed to have an immigrant intent.A student can no longer prove non immigrant intent if you are married to USC (Note: H1B is a dual intent visa and it is perfectly legal to have an immigrant intent). Therefore a student on F1 can be denied entry at POE if his/her spouse is USC.

Solution: Enter on fiance visa or a Green Card.

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Post by robomartin »

microarchitect wrote: post #137
robomartin wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing like real data. The US has over three times more immigrants than any other country. I should also note it is my belief --my belief-- that most people in the US, outside of certain groups, are for LEGAL immigration. Don't come here illegally or with a student visa and then cry foul if not welcomed. EDIT: the reference to student visas is about using them illegally to get in and then stay. It is NOT about not a…

What's this about a student visa? A student visa is a completely legal way of entering the US. PS. Post the Boston bombings the immigration officials at the port of entry are required to verify valid student status before letting students (F1 visa holders) into the US. This means the chances of people entering the country illegally through a student visa are slim to none.

I am talking about using a student visa to get in and then stay and work permanently and not study. In other words, using the visa fraudulently. If you want to stay and work go through the proper legal process and get a resident visa.

Again, legal immigration.

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Post by cunac »

outworlder wrote: post #110
twoodfin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before long, you won't have many people trying to get in. Wanna bet?

Sure! Are there any reliable sources of immigration statistics? The effects might take a while to be felt. Some green card categories have a backlog of more than a decade. Tourism might be easier to measure.

the fact that H1B yearly quota is used in hours ?

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Post by GauntletWizard »

microarchitect wrote: post #137
robomartin wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing like real data. The US has over three times more immigrants than any other country. I should also note it is my belief --my belief-- that most people in the US, outside of certain groups, are for LEGAL immigration. Don't come here illegally or with a student visa and then cry foul if not welcomed. EDIT: the reference to student visas is about using them illegally to get in and then stay. It is NOT about not a…

What's this about a student visa? A student visa is a completely legal way of entering the US. PS. Post the Boston bombings the immigration officials at the port of entry are required to verify valid student status before letting students (F1 visa holders) into the US. This means the chances of people entering the country illegally through a student visa are slim to none.

It's fairly common to come in on a "Student" visa to study at a community college or take night courses while also holding a full-time job. It's also common to skip the facade entirely - Use visa to gain entry, take job on forged credentials, stay past expiration. The student visa does allow the holder to work, but it is intended to be secondary to the education, and history has shown that it is not.

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Post by iskander »

lmgftp wrote: post #17
forgotAgain wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely there was a legitimate reason Why make that presumption?

Simply because the vast majority of cases regarding visas/entry into the United States are determined by strict procedure and in accordance with the law. So most likely, as in the majority of cases, there is a reason we're not able to see here, for national security or one-sidedness.

I worked at a school with a high percentage of foreign students on F-1 visas. The visa-granting process is much more arbitrary than you imagine. The supposed "strict procedure" is actually filtered through many layers of several partially-communicating bureaucracies. An embassy in particular can approve or reject visa applications without recourse or oversight but Homeland Security can also erect inscrutable obstructions.

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Post by hpagey »

amasad wrote: post #85

The bit about the flight staff tearing up his ticket is a real problem. Flight staff act like they're Border Control. I'm a Jordanian with an O1 and they usually give me hard time when I try to board a plane to the states. I once almost missed my flight because they made me buy a ticket back in the same year, even-though my visa was valid for three years.

According to my understanding, for passport control flights, the airlines are heavily fined and have to bear the cost of return flight if a passenger is denied entry.

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Post by moheeb »

muyuu wrote: post #49
jdmitch wrote: post #5

...not sure what sort of "moral debt" (second bullet point) Omar had to the country - is there some reason he should have had to contribute anything to the US economy? Its not like the military where you commit to extra years of service for the financial inducements attached to further study. He's probably already contributed more than most Americans just in his research during the years of his PhD. As an American do…

Yep, but why would you want to live in the US now? Just look at it. Stay with us, mate.

In case no one told you the US is awesome. There's more to a country than its government.
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