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You 're implying that women don't swear?
I think you missed the point. Go ahead and repeat that quote to the nearest woman and see if they share your view.
First off, most of your guys on here know me now and my background with Google not being a good one, so I don't have a bias opinion. I think at least the devs at Google DO care and they take pride in their work (like every damn dev should). The problem that happens when your company (Google) services so many is that your voice isn't heard against the noise...(I think weev felt this with ATT). I didn't get a chance to…
>I didn't get a chance to read the comments on the Mayer article (feel free someone to reply a HN link). Here you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5738455
Just like I said earlier, Dave is personalizing his past experiences and shoving them on Mayer. The CEO of Semantics lead him on, but the BIG DIFF here is that Mayer is the CEO and like I think the brightest comment on there said, Mayer has to have a very thorough plan. She has alot to prove in this position, to shareholders, to her team, the board, and to everyone pushing the PR.
Want to get rid of the majority of trolls, abuse and unnecessarily negative behavior? Remove anonymity. These fake points don't do much at all.
I think I've posted this here before, but there is some evidence that eliminating anonymity does not improve civility: http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/29/surprisingly-good-evidence-... Anonymity or pseudonymity do, however, have benefits that should be considered before eliminating them. Whistleblowers and employees of companies being discussed are the two that come to mind immediately.
Your point about whistle-blowers and retaining anonymity for privacy/protection reasons is a very valid one, I hadn't considered that.
This is tricky. On one hand, Hacker News, despite being one of the best of its kind, is a programming community, and programming communities (or similarly populated communities: online gaming, etc.) are possibly the most overwhelmingly negative and vitriolic I find online. (Huge exception: StackExchange.) I find it perplexing that the business & finance communities I visit are consistently more civil and constructive…
Would you mind telling me what business and finance communities you've found interesting?
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>> If you talked to your spouse like that it would be called abuse. And if you hit your spouse like boxers do in the ring then that would be abuse too. It's almost as if there are different rules for different situations. (No, I'm not saying that kernel development is like boxing)
The difference is consent. Now, of course, that sparks off a question about whether submitting your post or your startup to HN is de facto consenting to be verbally abused. But I think that's a pretty useful conversation to have.
This is curious, maybe a little too reactionary[1], but I think we could use the introspection. On the one hand, being argued about is a problem a lot of people would like to have. I spent two years making a large canvas diagramming library and I would have loved for it to have frontpage'd on HN, even if everyone just told me it was terrible. On the other hand, I do think the meanness of programming communities is a…
We have as much right to defend the behavior as you have to attack it. It's an arbitrary questions of norms and of tolerance to criticism. In modern society it seems that we're so isolated and insecure in ourselves that we can't handle criticism and meanness. That everyone must be over socialized to be overly concerned about what everyone else thinks and not be concerned about the objectivity of what we're trying to…
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Yesterday, in response to Dave's post, you wrote, "As a meta comment, Winer is a unfortunate last name..." If that's the standard you hold yourself to, I'd encourage you to expect more from yourself.
Would you like to explain what about that you find so offensive? Because that whole line of indignation really felt like so much pearl clutching to me. Dude writes really whiney content. And then there's his name. That's super unfortunate. That's not, like, a slam on his family or a dig about his person. That's just a linguistic observation. If I made compost bins, for example, that's a completely legit parallel for…
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> Sometimes we're not going to worship. It's not about worship. It's about civility and making an effort to write comments to a higher standard.
I write to my standard. You write to yours. We each get little buttons where people vote. That's the deal. I personally find Dave's attitude of self-entitlement to be very toxic. Coming first doesn't elevate you above reproach or scrutiny. Success and progress require questioning and even defying authority. I'm incredibly distrustful of anyone who would discourage that. So he's going to demand people be impressed – a…
As to the upvotes you received, I suspect this happens mostly because there is no downvote on articles, and people use upvoting the first negative comment they see as a quick and easy substitute to announce their disagreement with the article in question, or even the title if they haven't read the article. I'm not sure I'd see upvotes as validation of your views, tempting as it is to do so. I've come to think voting either way here on HN should subtract karma, to make people really think about their decision to upvote and stop the flamebait and snarky comments floating to the top.
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The sooner people understand that anti-social behaviour is about community and not about rights the better, but I still see people confusing the two. Yes you've got a right to be rude, you've also got a right to blather on for two hours about Dragonball Z. Both behaviours will leave adults concluding that you're not capable of mature discussion. And if you and your mates establish a norm of anti-social behaviour, you…
> The sooner people understand that anti-social behaviour is about community and not about rights the better "Anti-social" behavior according to whom and to what extent and for what purpose? For the purpose of feminizing men so that they are more passive and they fit better into your ideals of who people should be? So to fit men who want to be themselves into your little cult of civility? > I still see people confusi…
I view this entry as a bit of a tantrum, by someone who cares so little about the comments on Hacker News that he has repeatedly slandered the site and its regulars, and while encouraging others to post this very link in a comment earlier today simultaneously demands that this site not link to him. This strikes me as a little childish and bizarre for someone who, as I think we all know, understands a bit about the internet.
He is attempting to bully a group, using tactics more commonly found in grade school, and is threatening to cancel recess for everyone.
If you are a public figure, which Winer is for his contributions to the industry, "you" become bigger than the person. You become a message bus and a context. That comes with a lot of benefits, which includes that every opinion gets broadly spread regardless of merit, but it also means that context becomes a legitimate target for criticism, and a persistent wrapper around all messages, because your opinions are broadly spread regardless of specific merit. It is not reasonable to demand that each message be evaluated outside of that context.
And I'll reword what I wrote yesterday to fit this particular entry, which is that many of his posts have become deeply depressing. Many follow the pattern of aggrieved entitlement and disenfranchisement (and to repeat what I said yesterday, fit the bigoted stereotype about older developers. As one of the only people who even mentioned age -- and as a 40 year old developer -- I find it bizarre if Dave thought that was an insult about his age, when in reality it was a comment about him seemingly veering towards becoming the cliche).
It is fantastic that he is working on new, interesting stuff, but the message that percolates out continues to be rather morose.