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There are some things people in these threads are chronically getting wrong. First, lots of people are making the claim that this was a "private" joke. It was not. If it was a private joke and they shouldn't be punished for that reason, then they should have been able to say anything , and as long as everyone who was meant to be in the private conversation appreciated it, it would be wrong to punish them because it w…
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> Public shaming was not the right way to handle the situation. I find it odd then that the mob went after Adria, doing exactly what they are calling her out for doing, and publicly shaming her. Saying that she started it, or that two wrongs make a right, or any like that is only highlighting the hypocrisy.
There's a fundamental difference between publicly shaming someone who made a semi-private comment (I'm assuming the guy in question did not stand up and yell the joke to the entire conference) vs. publicly criticising someone for comments they themselves made in a way that was extremely public. If she wants to take something like this public, she should expect the responses to be public.
You, obviously, feel differently.
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> Slow down, everyone. Injustice will still be there for you after your blood pressure goes down. That's why you should follow Prussian military complaint rules. The Prussian military allowed all soldiers to file complaints, even against officers. However the rule was that you could only file a complaint after one night had passed. The idea is of course that you can think about what happened and reevalute it. Natural…
I very deliberately didn't comment on this story when it broke yesterday and had to actively fight my instinct to point out just how obviously wrongheaded some people were. Now, if nothing else, I can look back and be proud that I wasn't baited into saying anything hostile or embarrassing.
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PyCon is a conference for Python programmers, professional and amateur, no where is the term "professionals only" stated. It's a conference for people who have an interest in Python. If it is, maybe I missed the business attire requirement, and requirement that you have to be a professional Python programmer sent as a representative of a company to attend. There are professional conferences, very corporate in nature,…
The PyCon code of conduct[1] appears to clearly disagree with your characterization that the event is not for a professional audience: > All communication should be appropriate for a professional audience including people of many different backgrounds. Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks. > Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other attendees. Behave profes…
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1) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 2) Totally agree, it was not a wise choice. 3) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 4) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 5) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 6) It's true, not all the best choices were made.
It's quite true that you can't tell someone what is offensive to them, but that's entirely beside the point. If someone is offended by something and takes no action then that doesn't matter at all. But if someone does something in response to how they feel they were offended, we're going to judge that response by how reasonable that offense seems to us. If the two men in the situation we're talking about had been mak…
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I very deliberately didn't comment on this story when it broke yesterday and had to actively fight my instinct to point out just how obviously wrongheaded some people were. Now, if nothing else, I can look back and be proud that I wasn't baited into saying anything hostile or embarrassing.
There is really nothing to be gained in those "rage fests". And this whole incident clearly shows that. One bad decision after another escalating the situation. When it's over there won't be anything gained but only destroyed. So far we have two people without a job and two companies with a tainted reputation.
In a way, since so many people acted so badly, it should be easier for everyone to apologize and de-escalate while saving face.
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I very deliberately didn't comment on this story when it broke yesterday and had to actively fight my instinct to point out just how obviously wrongheaded some people were. Now, if nothing else, I can look back and be proud that I wasn't baited into saying anything hostile or embarrassing.
There is really nothing to be gained in those "rage fests". And this whole incident clearly shows that. One bad decision after another escalating the situation. When it's over there won't be anything gained but only destroyed. So far we have two people without a job and two companies with a tainted reputation.
If either one of those three didn't happen, I think this could've been avoided.
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I think the most vitriolic reactions have been from non-community people.
Yes, the "activists" who insert themselves to disrupt other communities to promote their own personal infamy.
One of the reasons I've taken an interest in this whole fiasco is that I occasionally make "colorful" jokes. Not dissimilar from the two guys at PyCon. I make every attempt to keep these jokes private between my friends and I, but I'm sure others have heard me make them. Some people might find them funny, others may be offended. It scares me to think that making an offhand penis joke could result in being publicly ou…
Fucking NorCal. Nobody in NYC would've blinked at that joke. Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FAI_-woNh4