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Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Gareth321 »

MBCook wrote: post #74
Gareth321 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be the current feature prototype intended for the EU and potentially China. Apple has chosen not to release the new Siri AI in the EU because our Digital Markets Act requires them to allow interoperability. I.e. that users be allowed to choose another AI provider. Ostensibly they'll activate this in the EU when it's ready. Given the current functionality, it looks ready (or close to being ready). My g…

Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them. The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy. The problem is not having Siri use different models beneath. That’s not what the EU wants. They want Siri to be replaced by Gemini/etc completely. Which fits with the DMA. Apple’s proposal was for something akin to an agent that could gather the ne…

> Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them. The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy.

This is what Apple claims and I don’t think you should believe it at face value. The EU has an entire team working on negotiating the boundaries with gatekeepers. They have a vested interested in compliance. Apple’s claims don’t sound credible.

The DMA requires interoperability so it requires being able to swap out Siri - completely. Competitors would need to be first class components with full system access. Apple has a long history of anti-competitive action in iOS. For example, Apple doesn’t allow full system cloud backup competition. One must use iCloud or it’s impossible to back up an iPhone over the air.

I side with competition and choice. If people want to use something other than iCloud, or Siri, they should be allowed to do that with their own hardware.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by MBCook »

Gareth321 wrote: post #151
MBCook wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them. The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy. The problem is not having Siri use different models beneath. That’s not what the EU wants. They want Siri to be replaced by Gemini/etc completely. Which fits with the DMA. Apple’s proposal was for something akin to an agent that could gather the ne…

> Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them. The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy. This is what Apple claims and I don’t think you should believe it at face value. The EU has an entire team working on negotiating the boundaries with gatekeepers. They have a vested interested in compliance. Apple’s claims don’t sound credible. T…

> The DMA requires interoperability so it requires being able to swap out Siri - completely

I fully agree. But Apple is not willing to do that, and I don’t blame them. I actually think they’re right on that one personally, even though it would be a conflict with the law.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by isodev »

dd8601fn wrote: post #77
isodev wrote: post #30

Nice, thanks EU for forcing Apple. I guess it was possible all along.

This is not what EU regulators asked for. They want first class access to user data and devices for would-be alternative providers… which Apple simply won’t allow outside PCC. This is not that. This is expanding the Extensions that you already have. You can look at it in your Settings already. All of which is why EU users are being left behind on the new Apple Intelligence (for now).

How do you know?

Also given that PCC is just marketing speak for "Apple pinky promise they don't read or share the data", it would be nice to get an API with first class access to my own data. So tired of being locked it.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by sizzle »

cobolcomesback wrote: post #70
Kuyawa wrote: post #51

Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer Siri turn on the lights Siri code a Doom clone in Swift Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency Siri summarize the latest news about AI Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis Now that's an agent I'd…

Amazon did exactly this with Alexa skills and it hasn’t exactly been a booming success. Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use. “AI as a chat bot” has always been cool and fun in sci-fi movies, but it’s the least imaginative real world use for it. We need to move past it. > $ Siri 'List the files in this folder' Why in the world would I ev…

I think you have the wrong conclusion with Alexa’s skills and ecosystem, as a prior heavily bought-in Alexa user myself. It did feel like magic in the beginning and was a quality of life improvement if you automated repetitive task of daily life e.g. auto light/thermostat activation.

I never needed it to add stuff to my Amazon shopping cart or interpret things I said as voice shopping asks, which was a terrible UX.

There were so many other daily frustrations and Alexa skills that were half baked and random frequently resetting or going offline. Another frustration was Alexa failing to recognize the magic incantation to activate a simple action in the day to day when skills had overlapping utterances.

I actually wished Siri had better HomeKit IoT products so I could switch over, but I just gave up out of death by a thousand cuts wearing me down over the years and do everything manually now. Privacy and surveillance was also a huge tipping point to make me bin all my Alexa devices. I digress…

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Danox »

dgellow wrote: post #32
bel8 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genius would have been for Apple to get Siri in a better state after so many years. This looks more like a participation medal, if at all.

They didn’t invest in Siri and became the most valuable company in history. I don’t think Siri being better would have mattered much to be honest. Not joining the financial black hole that is AI training seems to have benefited them well so far. But yes, it’s definitely a case of failing upwards. Adding quotes around “genius” as it seems you misunderstood what I meant

What a way to go falling upward with Apple Silicon, five Operating systems, and five ecosystems. In comparison to their competition who are all currently burning billions of dollars.

Their advantage is they are the last vertical computer from the 1980's.

One problem they do have memory will need to come in house.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Danox »

fennecbutt wrote: post #137
dgellow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

So basically do what they have always done for decades? Apple Intelligence was an outlier in how they historically operate. I mean they literally just put out a folding phone after waiting what, a decade, for others to perfect it first.

How can you perfect it when you don't have control of an effective in house operating system or in house chip design. When the dust settles Apple will be number 1 or 1A and number 1 in hardware/software integration.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by vablings »

sizzle wrote: post #154
cobolcomesback wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon did exactly this with Alexa skills and it hasn’t exactly been a booming success. Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use. “AI as a chat bot” has always been cool and fun in sci-fi movies, but it’s the least imaginative real world use for it. We need to move past it. > $ Siri 'List the files in this folder' Why in the world would I ev…

I think you have the wrong conclusion with Alexa’s skills and ecosystem, as a prior heavily bought-in Alexa user myself. It did feel like magic in the beginning and was a quality of life improvement if you automated repetitive task of daily life e.g. auto light/thermostat activation. I never needed it to add stuff to my Amazon shopping cart or interpret things I said as voice shopping asks, which was a terrible UX. T…

The problem is with Alexa itself, it fucking sucks to use and is very annoying with advertisements and such

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Danox »

sublinear wrote: post #31
dgellow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're spot on. Almost everyone developing their own AI is doomed to fail. I would not be surprised that when the dust settles, Microsoft CoPilot and Google Gemini will be left standing while OpenAI and Anthropic fade away. They will get what they need and then throw them away. "Embrace, extend, extinguish" is the same playbook for decades, and you can only do that when you…

I don't think Nadella will survive Copilot if it isn't a roaring success.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Danox »

MBCook wrote: post #79
saghm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this consistently has happened at every place you've worked in your career, I think you're luckier than you realize. Independent of the implementation, it's also still interesting as a sign of what might be supported for users down the line; I don't agree that this is how they'd write the code if they never expected to allow another provider, and other comments in the thread have already provided some insight into…

Apple had enough experience relying on and being screwed by third parties that they have a built-in allergy to it. They do not like being boxed in and always want to be in control of their destiny. This would’ve been useful during their bake off where they were trying to choose if they wanted to go with Google, Anthropic, or OpenAI. But even without that, they would absolutely not want to be in a situation where they…

They are currently getting rid of Qualcomm modems the new fold iPhone is using an Apple in house modem (C2) and due to market conditions Apple will probably have to do something with memory because of the three head cartel and the Chinese.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Danox »

aNoob7000 wrote: post #22
crazyeng wrote: post #20

Just playing the devil advocate: what happens when the answers from a not-Apple LLM are garbage? Who the users are going to blame, Apple or OpenAI, Anthropic, etc..? I'm not 100% on Apple side on this, I would love to chose whatever I want, even local models, but I get why trey trying to control 100% of the user experience. If they could trust any provider with customers data, they would let them in, since they're no…

If you are smart enough to change the default, you would know which LLM you picked and could point the finger at it. Apple is in the game of providing an application platform. Maybe in the future they will provide their own LLM.

In house memory is more important...
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