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Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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post #12

It’d be short sighted to not have a wrapper around which AI to use, even without implementation for them. Like, having an abstract parent class with a Siri implementation of it would be baseline good software engineering.

That exists already for Apple devices. They just never give third party models first class access to user and device data.

That arrangement will change, somewhat, later today.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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There’s a reason everyone knows the various wake words.

All the big companies know how suicidal that would be. They already get accused of it by people who don’t understand how targeted web advertising works.

Some of the new AI start-ups don’t seem to understand that, but Apple absolutely will not make a mistake that stupid.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer Siri turn on the lights Siri code a Doom clone in Swift Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency Siri summarize the latest news about AI Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis Now that's an agent I'd…

I'd settle for a siri that can at least turn the lights off properly. Google assistant on the nvidia shield left Siri in the dust years ago. Siri can't even chain basic commands in your smart home, it can't retain any kind of context (e.g. dim the lights...a bit more).

You haven’t used the beta

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

#74
post #3

Hmmm then why is it not available in EU?

This appears to be the current feature prototype intended for the EU and potentially China. Apple has chosen not to release the new Siri AI in the EU because our Digital Markets Act requires them to allow interoperability. I.e. that users be allowed to choose another AI provider. Ostensibly they'll activate this in the EU when it's ready. Given the current functionality, it looks ready (or close to being ready). My g…

Apple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them.

The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy.

The problem is not having Siri use different models beneath. That’s not what the EU wants. They want Siri to be replaced by Gemini/etc completely. Which fits with the DMA.

Apple’s proposal was for something akin to an agent that could gather the necessary data for the 3rd party AI to use. Because what they refused to do is let any other AI have unfettered access to everything whenever it wants.

So I suspect this is really for Apple’s benefit. I don’t think the EU would be happy if you could still use Siri, but it was grok underneath. Because that would still be Siri.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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post #6
post #3

Hmmm then why is it not available in EU?

I think it is because the EU is requiring broader access to the deeper layers that Apple doesn’t want to give. EDIT: by broader I mean all apps the user installs on their phone.

Yes. Besides, if you swapped out the thing underneath, you would still get the UI and branding of Siri.

I don’t think that would meet the requirements of the DMA. Would it?

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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post #30

Nice, thanks EU for forcing Apple. I guess it was possible all along.

This is not what EU regulators asked for. They want first class access to user data and devices for would-be alternative providers… which Apple simply won’t allow outside PCC.

This is not that. This is expanding the Extensions that you already have. You can look at it in your Settings already.

All of which is why EU users are being left behind on the new Apple Intelligence (for now).

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

#78

Siri, and Alexa, would be significantly more useful if it could be connected to ChatGPT etc.

It happens now – when I ask certain questions Siri asks if I want ChatGPT to answer it.

That’s gone in 27. You can still ask ChatGPT by prefixing your request with “ask ChatGPT“ like you’ve been able to for the last two years or so.

But it will never prompt you anymore, because Siri AI can handle that stuff now when it couldn’t before.

Whether you think it’s better or not is up to you. I do. I also found the version of ChatGPT it used to be worse than the one in the app.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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post #35

News at 11: Developers write decoupled code.

If this consistently has happened at every place you've worked in your career, I think you're luckier than you realize. Independent of the implementation, it's also still interesting as a sign of what might be supported for users down the line; I don't agree that this is how they'd write the code if they never expected to allow another provider, and other comments in the thread have already provided some insight into…

Apple had enough experience relying on and being screwed by third parties that they have a built-in allergy to it. They do not like being boxed in and always want to be in control of their destiny.

This would’ve been useful during their bake off where they were trying to choose if they wanted to go with Google, Anthropic, or OpenAI. But even without that, they would absolutely not want to be in a situation where they had to redo everything to get off a bad partner.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

#80
post #10

This is a very clever platform play. If you make Siri / your mac the central access point for all AI related workflows and make models interchangeable, then Apple has a huge weapon in the AI race.

The EU forced this on Apple and other manufacturers. Apple fought this bitterly, but there is only so much market share they are willing to lose before capitulating. https://futurium.ec.europa.eu/es/apply-ai-alliance/community...
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