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Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by runjake »

runjake wrote: post #106
Kuyawa wrote: post #51

Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer Siri turn on the lights Siri code a Doom clone in Swift Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency Siri summarize the latest news about AI Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis Now that's an agent I'd…

> Can we start with Siri for the terminal? It already exists in macOS 27: fm(1) It is an extremely powerful tool, but here are the basics: # Ask the default on-device model fm respond 'Explain this shell error in plain English: permission denied' # Start a conversation fm chat --instructions 'Let's talk about economics.' # Use the larger Private Cloud Compute model fm respond --model pcc 'Are zebras and horses relate…

I realized my piping stuff example wasn't good enough. Here's a better one:

  pbpaste | fm respond --instructions 'Summarize in five bullets. Preserve dates, owners, and decisions.'

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by fennecbutt »

juiceland wrote: post #58
pvtmert wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May happen with Android, not going to happen on $AAPL devices... Heck, even the battery is non-swappable!

This is such a funny comment. I’d been hearing about the un-repairability of Apple products for years and I believed it. Then I went to Shenzhen and walked past an entire floor of individuals doing all sorts of “impossible” repairs right in front of the customer.

Tbf that's where many of the phones stolen by muggers in western countries ultimately end up.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by fennecbutt »

donbox wrote: post #39
Someone1234 wrote: post #29

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Yeah; plus we know they're designing with potential future local-only Vs. hybrid Vs. cloud-only in mind depending on hardware/market changes. So having it be this flexible buys them a ton of future potential. People have speculated that with FPGAs or even an ASIC you could take some smaller models we have today, turn the chip into essentially that model-as-hardware, and get some really compelling performance/power-us…

Maybe we would get LLMs on (pluggable) cartridges.

Yes, it's very Gibson.

That's what I was hoping for with Taalas, ultimately ending up with a microsd-ish card that's hot swappable intelligence.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by pram »

verdverm wrote: post #96
Dennip wrote: post #61

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I'd settle for a siri that can at least turn the lights off properly. Google assistant on the nvidia shield left Siri in the dust years ago. Siri can't even chain basic commands in your smart home, it can't retain any kind of context (e.g. dim the lights...a bit more).

Siri is Gemini now (Semeni?) so expect similar stories from both major phone OS providers going forward, since we have lost more diversity in the mobile market (seems anti-trustworthy to me)

Gemiri, clearly

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by MBCook »

MBCooked wrote: post #89
MBCook wrote: post #72

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There’s a reason everyone knows the various wake words. All the big companies know how suicidal that would be. They already get accused of it by people who don’t understand how targeted web advertising works. Some of the new AI start-ups don’t seem to understand that, but Apple absolutely will not make a mistake that stupid.

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No what I was trying to say is it’s not listening for anything it can sell ads against, it’s set to trigger on a specific word. The rest of the phone has no idea you’re talking until the processor recognizes the water word (possibly by mistake) and then (I assume) raises an interrupt.

I’m not claiming benevolence. Apple is less benevolent now than ever, however much you think that was.

They care about money. And I think they care about selling $1000 phones + tie ins far more than small amounts from advertising on all their phones by surveilling what people are talking about and risking those sales.

Trust me. They’re already shoving ads everywhere without that, much to my annoyance.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by WalterGR »

Kuyawa wrote: post #51

Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer Siri turn on the lights Siri code a Doom clone in Swift Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency Siri summarize the latest news about AI Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis Now that's an agent I'd…

That’s been around for ages. Documentation is here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit

For major platforms: “iOS 10.0+ / iPadOS 10.0+ / macOS 12.0+ / watchOS 3.2+”

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re missing?

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by fennecbutt »

dgellow wrote: post #21
freedomben wrote: post #13

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I don't disagree, but I do feel the need to point out this was not Apple's plan A. Luckily for them they have so many tools and options at their disposal, that they are able to massively fail at developing their own models and still end up in a good position.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

So basically do what they have always done for decades?

Apple Intelligence was an outlier in how they historically operate. I mean they literally just put out a folding phone after waiting what, a decade, for others to perfect it first.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by fennecbutt »

crazyeng wrote: post #20

Just playing the devil advocate: what happens when the answers from a not-Apple LLM are garbage? Who the users are going to blame, Apple or OpenAI, Anthropic, etc..? I'm not 100% on Apple side on this, I would love to chose whatever I want, even local models, but I get why trey trying to control 100% of the user experience. If they could trust any provider with customers data, they would let them in, since they're no…

Why, the users will blame anyone but Apple, of course.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by ActorNightly »

cobolcomesback wrote: post #70
Kuyawa wrote: post #51

Siri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer Siri turn on the lights Siri code a Doom clone in Swift Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency Siri summarize the latest news about AI Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis Now that's an agent I'd…

Amazon did exactly this with Alexa skills and it hasn’t exactly been a booming success. Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use. “AI as a chat bot” has always been cool and fun in sci-fi movies, but it’s the least imaginative real world use for it. We need to move past it. > $ Siri 'List the files in this folder' Why in the world would I ev…

> Turns out that all of the things you listed as examples are stuff that most consumers don’t actually want or will use.

The thing that nobody really realized is that setup is a big factor that isn't worth to a lot of people. For example, to turn off lights with Alexa, you have to do a whole bunch of setup that involves installing special lights, installing app, connecting the app to Alexa. Even though relatively this is simple, its just not worth the effort to a lot of people.

Amazon or Apple could easily overcome this by offering Alexa or Siri connected devices as incentive to builders building houses or apartments. That way, when you plug in Alexa in your new apartment, it can auto detect everything it can control including lights, thermostat appliances, e.t.c.

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