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Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by sublinear »

dgellow wrote: post #21
freedomben wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree, but I do feel the need to point out this was not Apple's plan A. Luckily for them they have so many tools and options at their disposal, that they are able to massively fail at developing their own models and still end up in a good position.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're spot on.

Almost everyone developing their own AI is doomed to fail. I would not be surprised that when the dust settles, Microsoft CoPilot and Google Gemini will be left standing while OpenAI and Anthropic fade away. They will get what they need and then throw them away.

"Embrace, extend, extinguish" is the same playbook for decades, and you can only do that when you make money. Yes, making money still matters and post-capitalism is a big fat lie.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by dgellow »

bel8 wrote: post #28
dgellow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

Genius would have been for Apple to get Siri in a better state after so many years. This looks more like a participation medal, if at all.

They didn’t invest in Siri and became the most valuable company in history. I don’t think Siri being better would have mattered much to be honest. Not joining the financial black hole that is AI training seems to have benefited them well so far. But yes, it’s definitely a case of failing upwards.

Adding quotes around “genius” as it seems you misunderstood what I meant

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by acuteaura »

Gareth321 wrote: post #11
vinni2 wrote: post #3

Hmmm then why is it not available in EU?

This appears to be the current feature prototype intended for the EU and potentially China. Apple has chosen not to release the new Siri AI in the EU because our Digital Markets Act requires them to allow interoperability. I.e. that users be allowed to choose another AI provider. Ostensibly they'll activate this in the EU when it's ready. Given the current functionality, it looks ready (or close to being ready). My g…

My secret hope is that Tim Cook was the main weight behind cutting off half the new features from Apple software in the EU an attempt to weaponize their users against legislators. Even features that have had analogues where nobody would've ever asked for interoperability (i.e. Handoff/Continuity exists in the EU, but iPhone mirroring doesn't)

This is not how politics works here.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by [deleted] »

freedomben wrote: post #13
akie wrote: post #10

This is a very clever platform play. If you make Siri / your mac the central access point for all AI related workflows and make models interchangeable, then Apple has a huge weapon in the AI race.

I don't disagree, but I do feel the need to point out this was not Apple's plan A. Luckily for them they have so many tools and options at their disposal, that they are able to massively fail at developing their own models and still end up in a good position.

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Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by saghm »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #23

News at 11: Developers write decoupled code.

If this consistently has happened at every place you've worked in your career, I think you're luckier than you realize. Independent of the implementation, it's also still interesting as a sign of what might be supported for users down the line; I don't agree that this is how they'd write the code if they never expected to allow another provider, and other comments in the thread have already provided some insight into what the context might be (e.g. EU market).

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by sicktriple »

bel8 wrote: post #28
dgellow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

Genius would have been for Apple to get Siri in a better state after so many years. This looks more like a participation medal, if at all.

Meh, AI is deep in it's diversification stage -- there are soooooooo many players in the game right now and basically one maybe two will survive once the dust settles. All these frontier labs are fighting tooth and nail to be the one left standing. Apple is making a measured approach saying "hey, we're probably not going to be the Google of AI, but the smartest thing for us to do is to put infrastructure in place so that once there is a contraction (which there will be, think the search engine landscape in the 2000s) we're relatively ahead for relatively little effort/cost."

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Grombobulous »

bel8 wrote: post #28
dgellow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom

Genius would have been for Apple to get Siri in a better state after so many years. This looks more like a participation medal, if at all.

I imagine that Google assistant only makes money for Google because they’re an advertising company. Alexa loses money for Amazon and it’s becoming more gated to Prime subscription features as a result. Amazon thought everyone would be buying stuff with their voice and that future never panned out.

It turns out that voice assistants aren’t all that important. Customers aren’t willing to pay for them and they’re more of a nice to have convenience feature.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by donbox »

Someone1234 wrote: post #29
taybin wrote: post #12

It’d be short sighted to not have a wrapper around which AI to use, even without implementation for them. Like, having an abstract parent class with a Siri implementation of it would be baseline good software engineering.

Yeah; plus we know they're designing with potential future local-only Vs. hybrid Vs. cloud-only in mind depending on hardware/market changes. So having it be this flexible buys them a ton of future potential. People have speculated that with FPGAs or even an ASIC you could take some smaller models we have today, turn the chip into essentially that model-as-hardware, and get some really compelling performance/power-us…

Maybe we would get LLMs on (pluggable) cartridges.

Re: Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows

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Post by Grombobulous »

stego-tech wrote: post #26

Neat. Now let me point it to an OpenAI-compatible API endpoint of my choosing, like a Mac Mini running Hermes on my LAN. I do not want my personal data or the queries against it to leave my network boundaries if at all possible. This should be a default option.

You can download an app that does that. You don’t have to use Siri, and it can be turned off entirely, or decoupled from AI entirely, and the wake word can be disabled entirely. A lot of options are available.

Make a Shortcut that will open your local voice assistant app of choice when you press the action button.

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