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Nike exits the S&P 100 after 18 years and a $200B market-cap wipeout

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But that’s a thing with all carbon-plated shoes. You get 200-300km out of it. They are usually only worth it, if you run around a sub-3 marathon. It can be worth it for shorter distances but you should have someone looking at your running style because those shoes increase your likeliness of injury if your running style isn’t well or you can keep it up for the whole distance when you are getting tired. All people I k…

> All people I know who use them, just run them once before a race to try them out and after that they are like a very good suit which you only use for special events. Doing all your marathon training in one type of shoe then switching to a different, new shoe on the day is certainly a choice.

There are usually training versions of the race shoe, which are heavier due in part to thicker rubber soles and more durable foam. So you train in those, and then switch to the ultra-light, ultra-bouncy race version on race day.

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Indeed European. I'm surprised to hear that Canada is no longer though, I thought the protests and avoidance were very much still ongoing. I only have international news to go by, and I've no way to be certain but I do know that nobody I know deliberately buys American now and will actively search out alternatives for brands that are based in the US. I could live in an anecdotal bubble though, but it sure does look l…

There's definitely a large group of consumers that are all about buying Canadian goods, and obviously the Canadian and American governments are having their scrap, but my point is that a genuine boycott on a global scale that would be concerted enough to harm American companies just isn't feasible. Even the Chinese, who have very obvious reasons to hate the US/Trump admin, and have the industrial sector, labour force…

All very good points. How do you think this has impacted Nike specifically? I know my reluctance to purchase takes maybe tens of dollars of the table, but do you think state-level friction has impacted the sportwear sector?

Re: Nike exits the S&P 100 after 18 years and a $200B market-cap wipeout

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The marketing campaign they launched in April 2023 also deteriorated their brand position. It earned them woke coins, but the NPV of all those future woke coins flows was negative.

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Except all the other brands replacing it are woke too.

Re: Nike exits the S&P 100 after 18 years and a $200B market-cap wipeout

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Nike's destruction over the past 5 years was really surprised and until I read up about the whole "direct to consumer" fiasco it really helped me understand another trend I was a bit confused about. About 2-3 years, it felt like, out of nowhere everyone was wearing Hoka and On brand sneakers. In my entire life it felt like the Nike/Adidas duopoly was unbreakable, and then it felt suddenly that Hoka was everywhere. Wh…

Hoka (like many other brands with running lineages) was careful not to devalue its brand. Nike has some quality products, but they also consistently released garbage products and stamped a swoosh on them. So there's the squeeze: people who want quality can go to a brand that's actually known for quality and avoid the guessing game, people who want garbage can get cheaper garbage drop shipped from China.

They also hiked their prices on things like Jordan’s until they’re in a new price category $200+ and against really quite high quality shoes

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The article has one heading which is "Why is Nike dropping?" But to me when looking at that graph the question is: what in the world happened in 2020-2021 to make it go up that much? The graph looks like some kind of crypto scam or AI hype, but neither makes any sense for a shoe company. Can anyone explain the rise?

Supposedly the pandemic caused quite the running boom since it was the easiest sport to keep doing despite lockdowns. Combine that with a bunch of bored retail investors with stimulus checks... I don't know if this is the actual reason or not, but it seems like it might have had something to do with it.

Some people were also collecting Jordan’s and everything else under the Sun with their stimulus

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Couple that with the fact almost everyone seems to run now, and that running shoes/trainers have become acceptable fashion in all but the haughtiest of occasions. In the 90s, running wasn't even really a thing. A few people went "jogging" for exercise. Otherwise it was a proper sport in which very few partook. Trainers were predominantly worn by children. Adults wore "real" shoes. Something changed in the past ten ye…

> like Hoka became acceptable for adults to wear. For running errands maybe.

a whooooole lotta professionals on their feet, like nurses, dental hygenists, teachers, etc, are wearing Hokas.

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There is a great article [0] that has some interesting points about this: - Nike used to be very "male coded" e.g. "Be like Mike" - So much so that they were one of the only companies where men bought more clothes than women - The powers that be wanted to go after the "Adjacent Whale" (explained in the article) that was the female consumer - They ended up alienating their core customer base while competing poorly wit…

> Nike used to be very "male coded" e.g. "Be like Mike" There are very-few male-coded places left. I think any Mall is like 80% for women and 20% food court. Beside that, there are jewelry stores, nail salons, spas, hair salons. Drive around the 'burbs and the only male-coded place is probably hardware stores and Pizza Hut

According to a Nielsen report, women control 70-80% of consumer spending and are responsible for a growing share of discretionary spending (expected to be 75% by 2029). Everybody is simply going to where the money is. https://nielseniq.com/global/en/insights/analysis/2024/shapi...

Also how is Pizza Hut male coded?

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> In my entire life it felt like the Nike/Adidas duopoly was unbreakable, and then it felt suddenly that Hoka was everywhere. Man, I'm in such different circles than everyone. I've never heard of Hoka and I don't know any sneakerheads. Everyone I know is into Keens, Toms, or Sketchers.

i think one can be in Sketchers but who is into Sketchers?

Sketchers invests in comfort the way that Nike invests in performance.

If you're not a pro-athlete and are not fashion obsessed, why not just buy the most comfortable shoes available?

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"In my entire life it felt like the Nike/Adidas duopoly was unbreakable, and then it felt suddenly that Hoka was everywhere." You mention Adidas as if they were in the same boat with Nike. While Adidas suffered from the Kanye West disaster this was a one time blunder and they rebound quickly. in Europe I see On on the rise too, but Adidas is omnipresent.

AFAIK, Adidas has been more niche* in the US, which makes sense given its German origin. I'm German and I don't recall a time when Adidas wasn't either #1 or #2 here. Kanye West barely registered. * It's reportedly associated with hip hop culture, for example. Widely popular brands don't have such specific associations.

"It's reportedly associated with hip hop culture"

Yeah about 35 years ago.

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Wouldn't the fact that a Black man was their most popular face throughout their successful period negate the idea that it has anything to do with wokeness? I wish people as obtuse as you would take the time to pause and think every once in a while.

> Wouldn't the fact that a Black man was their most popular face throughout their successful period negate the idea that it has anything to do with wokeness?

What does that have to do with wokeness? Sounds kind of racist to imply that.

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