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Post by mitxela »

dd8601fn wrote: post #178
jagged-chisel wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, ... The problem is, even if the device is priced at cost plus a reasonable margin, they can make more margin by selling data that they acquire by spying. No matter the margin on the sale, there's still more money to make by selling that data. There is no upper limi…

I get what you’re saying but the market had a choice on this, and it chose. They wanted the “smart” tvs. Overwhelmingly. “We” chose this hellscape when we had the opportunity to say no. So I think the person you’re replying to is kinda right. We didn’t get forced into this so much as everyone collectively said, “Yeah, that’s what I want.”

Did we actually ever have that choice?

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Post by mitxela »

nrr wrote: post #91
charcircuit wrote: post #79

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>I don't recall asking Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want. >people will pay whatever the price is Then why do businesses have sales? If prices don't matter why would businesses choose to make less money per sale?

> Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want. I'd urge reading up on revealed preference and product discovery. It cuts both ways in that, sure, a company can offer a product on the market that no buyer asked for and have it sell well, but then, the media can expose some rather unsavory facts about that same product and subsequently (consequently?) have i…

Revealed preference only makes sense in a world of perfect information. They don't tell you the TV spies on you. In fact, the revealed preferences is for TVs that appear not to spy on you, that's why they hide that information!

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Post by vrganj »

ranguna wrote: post #188
vrganj wrote: post #133

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I wasn't talking about the literal key files, I was talking about the metaphorical keys to the kingdom. No matter how you set it up, you're giving a cloud service the ability to SSH into your private network. Surely you must see the glaring security risk this creates?

> Surely you must see the glaring security risk this creates? Enlighten me.

I would recommend reading up on the basics here:

https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/cybersecurity-101/cyberatt...

https://www.varonis.com/blog/what-is-c2

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Post by Frieren »

dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

> How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

Neoliberalism. The only thing that keeps companies in good behaviour are strong regulations and harsh penalties (prison time) for perpetrators. Remove that and corporations will become feudal systems to pay tribute to.

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Post by frumiousirc »

sumedh wrote: post #186
nearlyepic wrote: post #185

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Yknow, admitting you have no idea what you’re talking about and coming up with a solution that doesn’t actually work used to be free.

What?

Apparently, nearlyepic is trying to deliver two veiled insults and a critique of judgement or perhaps of the current state of broader affairs. I'll attempt to translate:

- "no idea what you’re talking" = "you have outsourced expertise to an LLM"

- "solution that doesn’t actually work" = "piecemeal blocking leaves many problems still active"

- "used to be free" = "you / others in general now pay LLM services for the outsourcing leading to poor solutions while in the past poor solutions came for free"

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

>but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features.

God knows how many millions of people could drive a car from 2004 forever, use small dumb screens and other appliances, etc, etc, if not for other members of their household.

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Post by wkjagt »

utopiah wrote: post #187
sandmn wrote: post #173

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My dryer makes a "beep" sound when it's done. Not sure what would I gain if it played on my phone instead.

What if you could start the drier at ~1pm when the solar panels are at peak capacity even though you are not home?

I think we tend to forget that many things can be implemented without "smart" features / wifi access / apps. Ie my 20 year old oven has a "start time" feature. It just uses the built in clock.

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

antibarbarus wrote: post #121

I’m seeing that the old mantra is alive and kicking: "If the product is cheap/free, you are the product! Pay for the product!" Turns out that now both is true—they’ll charge you a steep price comparative to other brands, and they’ll _still_ spy on you. Why are some still defending corporations? It’s incredible how these brands are, one by one, destroying any affinity and good will left for them (LG, Sony, Microsoft,…

It would have to be a fight to the death against trlion dollar companies, It can’t just be “don’t buy it”. What you are suggesting means companies like google meta etc. Get wiped out. There is no way they would go naturally.

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Post by utopiah »

wkjagt wrote: post #197
utopiah wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you could start the drier at ~1pm when the solar panels are at peak capacity even though you are not home?

I think we tend to forget that many things can be implemented without "smart" features / wifi access / apps. Ie my 20 year old oven has a "start time" feature. It just uses the built in clock.

I don't think I know of any (big) appliance, e.g. dish washer, drier, washing machine with that option but to be honest I didn't dig deep, is it possible?

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Post by hyperman1 »

mitxela wrote: post #190
drdaeman wrote: post #97

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We didn’t have laws but every TV at the dawn of the era came with full schematics and documentation. That said, I’m not arguing that we don’t need laws today - we do, or at least I have no other idea how to do a course correction from where we are. Preferably wide-range ones that alter the whole consumer-producer relationships. But the key thing is not the laws, it’s the attitude (individual and corporate) towards ot…

There's probably something to do with volume and mfg capacity. The TV companies were doing everything they could and still not meeting the demand for TVs, so they might as well make them repairable. Signals quality. But now we have much more ability to make TVs than demand for TVs, and making them not repairable stimulates demand.

I'd say: Shortages after the world wars, combined with the teething problems of new technology made customers acutely aware and capable of repairability. That lesson is now forgotten.

It also wasn't universally true. E.g. the story of Mad Munz creating TVs that worked only for 90% of the customers (who had good enough reception and needed less signal cleanup). His idea was to capture 90% of the market with a cheaper product, while shafting 10% of the consumers and shamelessly send them to other vendors when they reported their troubles and he already had their money.

https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/madman-mun...

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