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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by pibaker »

fwip wrote: post #43
forestry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

Sorry but I don't understand this line of reasoning. You worry about a smart TV going online without your permission and yet you trust it enough to keep it around your home and keep it online???

I don't mean to be rude but it sounds like you just don't want to confront the rest of your household about taking the TV offline and are coming up with excuses to tell yourself this is actually fine.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by kadoban »

vrganj wrote: post #133
ranguna wrote: post #129

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"Giving the keys" doesn't necessarily mean outright cat the private key to Claude. You setup the key, configure SSH config to use it and you can just SSH to the machine without ever seeing the keys. Stop fear mongering unnecessarily.

I wasn't talking about the literal key files, I was talking about the metaphorical keys to the kingdom. No matter how you set it up, you're giving a cloud service the ability to SSH into your private network. Surely you must see the glaring security risk this creates?

You know you can monitor/reject things it attempts to do, right? For anything important I have it write scripts for what it wants to do, then I can review them for anything troubling.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sandmn »

utopiah wrote: post #107
nothrows wrote: post #33

I'm so tired of "smart" tech. I don't want my TV, or fridge, or dryer or anything connecting to wifi and bluetooth and having an app to manage settings. It's hard to believe there's demand for any of these terrible "features". The peak of smart tech were watches you could do math on.

Oh no ... I think you do actually want those. It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. What you do not want instead is : - being mandatory - requiring a proprietary application - expecting the app to force onto you services - expecting the setup to fail and making the hardware unusable over time because honestly when it does work, it's great. It's really not the feature…

My dryer makes a "beep" sound when it's done. Not sure what would I gain if it played on my phone instead.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by donkeylazy456 »

OroPla wrote: post #137
725686 wrote: post #74

Boy, how I would like LG to be sued out of existence.

Not possible. They are part of the chaebol [1], meaning they are essentially part of the South Korean government. They can't really fail as long as the country exists. There's an old joke that South Korea isn't really a country, but five families/companies pretending to be one and there's some truth to this. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

It is possible because South Korea does not have control in other states. Even if chaebol is powerful they still heavily depend on export profits. They can't help themselves if EU/USA consumers and governments take this scandal seriously.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by embedding-shape »

sandmn wrote: post #173
utopiah wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no ... I think you do actually want those. It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. What you do not want instead is : - being mandatory - requiring a proprietary application - expecting the app to force onto you services - expecting the setup to fail and making the hardware unusable over time because honestly when it does work, it's great. It's really not the feature…

My dryer makes a "beep" sound when it's done. Not sure what would I gain if it played on my phone instead.

Some people have their dryer far away from where they usually are and cannot hear it, like me. Although I do put a timer for N hours to remind myself rather than having a "smart" dryer.

I do like "smart" lights that are based on presence, and various sensors and "smart" automatic irrigation, but don't see much point in home appliances being connected to my phone/network.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by david-hd »

MisterTea wrote: post #32

Who's selling dumb TV's again, Samsung? Who else? I'll happily pay a thousand bucks to not get screwed by my TV.

I just got a new TV and agonized over how to get one that was dumb. I wasn't confident that it would be sufficiently dumb at the time of purchase, but I got a TCL QM6K. This was incidentally recommended by the 4K TV subreddit as one of the cheaper "good" TVs that you can buy this year, which I was glad to read, because I don't particularly care about agonizing over TV hardware details and I was glad to outsource that train of thought.

I set the TV up and was immediately pleased. The first thing it did was ask me if I wanted "smart" or "basic" mode. I selected basic mode, skipped the network connection, and disagreed to as many policies as it would let me. One week in, it hasn't nagged me a single time to connect to the internet or tried to push any other BS on me. I have it hooked up to an Apple TV and my Switch, and it seems to just work.

So yeah, I hope I'm not jinxing something here, but TCL was a great way to go for a delightful dumb TV experience.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by dd8601fn »

penguin_booze wrote: post #128
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

> How does an industry degenerate to the point It's called stage-4 capitalism: profit by any and all means.

The actual (and more sinister) answer is that consumers chose it, overwhelmingly, over years.

Alternatives existed. People thought they were getting more for their money with “smart” tvs, and bought those. It was fucking dumb, and nearly everyone participated.

Sony is out there with no ad/data platform to speak of, I believe? And projectors, I suppose. But there are almost no clean alternatives in living room appropriate panels. Even monitors are starting to go the way TVs did.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by dd8601fn »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #61
simmonmt wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not entirely the fault of the industry. Consumer preferences are part of this equation too. https://www.streamtvinsider.com/advertising/roku-vizio-lean-... If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, then what we've got is what you get. You could certainly argue that the industry should've held the line,…

> If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, ... The problem is, even if the device is priced at cost plus a reasonable margin, they can make more margin by selling data that they acquire by spying. No matter the margin on the sale, there's still more money to make by selling that data. There is no upper limi…

I get what you’re saying but the market had a choice on this, and it chose.

They wanted the “smart” tvs. Overwhelmingly. “We” chose this hellscape when we had the opportunity to say no.

So I think the person you’re replying to is kinda right. We didn’t get forced into this so much as everyone collectively said, “Yeah, that’s what I want.”

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by gbraad »

Devices that connect to open wifi networks is insane; not sure if LG does, but other devices do. Scary, as this is illegal/leads to legal liability, exposure, leakage, etc when you are close to a neighbors open network.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

wmf wrote: post #34
dessimus wrote: post #17

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>Apparently Sony OLED screens are LG "glass" but without the spyware. Without independent verification from someone like GN, I wouldn't trust "we installed rootkits" Sony not to be spying too.

Since Sony TVs run Android at least you can probably use ADB to remove a lot of junk.

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