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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by nrr »

charcircuit wrote: post #79
wavewrangler wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? I don’t recall ever asking manufacturers if I could trade my privacy for a discount. I don’t remember that at all…people will pay whatever the price is, if inflation hasn’t taught that to you, then I’m not sure what to tell you. The other thing inflation showed us, is that manufacturers will absolutely put a price on what they feel is “decent profit.” Cmon dude. Do you not remember how much we paid…

>I don't recall asking Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want. >people will pay whatever the price is Then why do businesses have sales? If prices don't matter why would businesses choose to make less money per sale?

> Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want.

I'd urge reading up on revealed preference and product discovery. It cuts both ways in that, sure, a company can offer a product on the market that no buyer asked for and have it sell well, but then, the media can expose some rather unsavory facts about that same product and subsequently (consequently?) have it not sell.

> Then why do businesses have sales? If prices don't matter why would businesses choose to make less money per sale?

It's worth picking this apart. Prices not mattering is usually expressed in economics-ese as price-inelastic demand, and that's usually not what's happening. Sales are a mechanism for drumming up demand for a product, with the hope that the additional volume will compensate for the marginally lower margin.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by adithyassekhar »

gustavus wrote: post #84
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source caused this, as much as anything else did. When you demand that software is free, you kill the market for paid software, leaving only enshittified software to fill the void. This has the dual effect of being worse for both developers and consumers: significantly fewer developers can make a living outside of working for $EvilEnterprise, which have an easier time centralizing and monopolizing the market, an…

Open Source never meant having to give your software away for free, it was always free as in speech. In that you could see the crap you got and change it if you wanted to. But you're right I'm sure that if there hadn't been the GCC there wouldn've been a ton of competing compilers. I'm sure that it was the existence of Apache that ruined computing and brought about the enshittification of the web not MS trying to for…

I guess back when software only came in disks that sounded good business wise. Today if I can get your source I’ll compile it, price a bit lower and publish it in a few hours.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by kuerbel »

jeffbee wrote: post #23
hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

It feels like there must be multiple completely different implementations of LG OLED TVs. I would not say that my LG has a "main screen" of any kind. When I turn mine on it shows the last input that had been used or, if that thing is off, it shows the bouncy egg and "No Signal". If I press the button on the remote that says RECENTS and has a picture of a house on it, which I guess is the "main screen", it maintains t…

That is WebOS 6.0 or older. Mine is the same. At some point they stopped updating older models. I think all those released before 2021 or so.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by cindyllm »

N_Lens wrote: post #65
Terr_ wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just had a crazy idea: Are there any ways we (consumers) could leverage the (bad) DMCA "anti-circumvention" laws? Ex: 1. The noise happening in my house is copyrighted. 2. I protected my copyright by blocking the TV from transmitting it to known manufacturer domains. 3. By switching to obfuscated domains or alternate transmission paths, the manufacturer started circumventing my copyright controls. ... I suppose the…

No. Now bend over, citizen

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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sumedh »

kelipso wrote: post #26
hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

Disconnect it from the internet, buy a streaming device, and use the streaming device. It’s really not that complicated. If you want a bit complicated, you can probably unscrew the back panel and remove the wifi card.

> It’s really not that complicated.

You can do that no the average joe.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by drdaeman »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #14
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

If you don't have laws, or don't enforce them, people will do whatever they want. I can remember when this simple point was obvious to almost everyone.

We didn’t have laws but every TV at the dawn of the era came with full schematics and documentation.

That said, I’m not arguing that we don’t need laws today - we do, or at least I have no other idea how to do a course correction from where we are. Preferably wide-range ones that alter the whole consumer-producer relationships.

But the key thing is not the laws, it’s the attitude (individual and corporate) towards others. Can’t legislate that, I’m afraid.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by wincy »

sethops1 wrote: post #58
dubyah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, cut off access and/or factory reset it. My LG has never been granted net access, firmware upgrades through USB drives, and streaming through Onn 4K box(w/ a 3rd party launcher) and Apple TV. No surprise ads, apps, or anything.

What do you get from upgrading the firmware? I have a 10 yo smart tv that I simply treated as a dumb tv. Works fine.

I updated my LG C5 firmware via USB and my Nintendo Switch 2 now says “Switch 2” on the home page instead of “Unknown Device”. So that’s nice I guess. Also it seemed to fix something with the 120hz HDR 10:10:10 signal when connected to my PC if I recall correctly that before resulted in poor image quality.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by charcircuit »

nrr wrote: post #91
charcircuit wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't recall asking Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want. >people will pay whatever the price is Then why do businesses have sales? If prices don't matter why would businesses choose to make less money per sale?

> Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want. I'd urge reading up on revealed preference and product discovery. It cuts both ways in that, sure, a company can offer a product on the market that no buyer asked for and have it sell well, but then, the media can expose some rather unsavory facts about that same product and subsequently (consequently?) have i…

>I'd urge reading up on revealed preference and product discovery

I'm not sure what point you are contesting.

>It's worth picking this apart.

They were rhetorical questions.

>price-inelastic demand

With this you could argue that the absolute price does not matter, but the relative price between products that can substitute each other do. In this comment chain it is being argued that this kind of device wins on relative price.

>Sales are a mechanism for drumming up demand for a product, with the hope that the additional volume will compensate for the marginally lower margin.

It is for increasing demand, but making a higher rate of profit on the item is not the main reason. Things like being able to clear inventory, or to learn about what the current demand curve looks like (to know if prices should be adjusted) are more common purposes.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sumedh »

I asked Claude to scan my network and check if LG tv is sending data, it said yes. Some domains were blocked by my router some were not, now Claude blocked all lg related tracking/ad domains on my router.

Domains which are blocked now.

prov-lg.alphonso.tv au.info.lgsmartad.com kic.cdpbeacon.lgtvcommon.com au.nextlgsdp.com kic.tv.wiselg.com kic.wiseconfig.lgtvcommon.com kic.homeprv.lgtvcommon.com kic.recommend.lgtvcommon.com au.elastic.lgwebostv.com

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