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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by majormajor »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #49
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

Big pivotal moment is probably the DMCA and the DRM it's enabled, it's really eroded the concept of ownership in both software and hardware (via firmware), to the point where we've completely lost all control over the devices we buy. These days devices do what we ask when it benefits their real owners, and refuse to do what we ask of them when it doesn't. It wasn't an overnight thing, but the temperature in the pot h…

I don't think "jailbreak and install your own software on your TV" would be common even without the DMCA...and it would still be necessary, nothing would be stopping the companies from writing these stock software systems.

Active regulation of the marketplace is needed.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

gustavus wrote: post #57
marginalia_nu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big pivotal moment is probably the DMCA and the DRM it's enabled, it's really eroded the concept of ownership in both software and hardware (via firmware), to the point where we've completely lost all control over the devices we buy. These days devices do what we ask when it benefits their real owners, and refuse to do what we ask of them when it doesn't. It wasn't an overnight thing, but the temperature in the pot h…

I brought this up all the time I argued with co-workers I advocated for Open Source because I knew where this was headed and every time it played out the exact way this comic did. Now I just post a link to this comic in discussion about these kind of things. https://xkcd.com/743/

Open source caused this, as much as anything else did. When you demand that software is free, you kill the market for paid software, leaving only enshittified software to fill the void. This has the dual effect of being worse for both developers and consumers: significantly fewer developers can make a living outside of working for $EvilEnterprise, which have an easier time centralizing and monopolizing the market, and consumers are paying the developers working at $EvilEnterprise with their data and lack of ownership. This is the business model of free software. There was never going to be a world where all software developers worked for free as a hobby, never received compensation, and all software was truly free.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by smrq »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #72
gustavus wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I brought this up all the time I argued with co-workers I advocated for Open Source because I knew where this was headed and every time it played out the exact way this comic did. Now I just post a link to this comic in discussion about these kind of things. https://xkcd.com/743/

Open source caused this, as much as anything else did. When you demand that software is free, you kill the market for paid software, leaving only enshittified software to fill the void. This has the dual effect of being worse for both developers and consumers: significantly fewer developers can make a living outside of working for $EvilEnterprise, which have an easier time centralizing and monopolizing the market, an…

I don't know how you can simultaneously believe that open source is prevalent enough to kill paid software but also non-existent enough that it doesn't itself fill the void it supposedly created.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by bigDinosaur »

fwip wrote: post #43
forestry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

If someone is supposedly concerned about being recorded, having their privacy invaded etc. but they're too lazy to change the wifi password and deal with the trivial inconvenience of changing it on other household devices then in this case the revealed preference really is that they don't really care.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by neltnerb »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #50
dathinab wrote: post #19

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yep one of the first rules of any market should be you sell a product -> you are responsible about the product with a ".. -> you must be honest about the product (/what the products does, provides, etc.)" to see how absurdly not followed this common sense(^1) is in the us look at supplements 1. provider are not hold responsible, non small parts of sold supplements are harmful in one way or another. Even cases like su…

I don't think the supplement information you quoted is correct. There are issues, but I don't think it is that prevalent. I subscribe to consumerlab.com, they do regular testing.

(1) is certainly correct, they're poorly understood when it comes to interactions and they almost never have much clinical evidence for claims (thus they say "support"). There are also heavy metal contaminants in all sorts of things, certainly stuff bad for babies.

Just to make clear that while (2) is at least an exaggeration unless you really stretch the issues with GRAS components not being adequately safety tested, it's certainly true that evidence of benefit is thin.

Personally I'd love to see the FDA actually regulate supplements, including actually testing additives for safety rather than falling back on GRAS sketchiness.

But we can't even test food for parasites and bacteria so I guess it falls to the consumer to somehow get enough information to make an informed decision.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

smrq wrote: post #73
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source caused this, as much as anything else did. When you demand that software is free, you kill the market for paid software, leaving only enshittified software to fill the void. This has the dual effect of being worse for both developers and consumers: significantly fewer developers can make a living outside of working for $EvilEnterprise, which have an easier time centralizing and monopolizing the market, an…

I don't know how you can simultaneously believe that open source is prevalent enough to kill paid software but also non-existent enough that it doesn't itself fill the void it supposedly created.

Because that void is filled by open-source software that, even if it is not itself enshittified, is controlled and funded by big tech. Take languages and compilers, for instance. It is almost[1] impossible to make a living developing languages and compiler software independently or as a small business. So how do compiler developers get paid? By receiving funding from Microsoft, Google, et al. C, C++, Rust, Go, JS, TS, C#, Java, Python are all owned by big tech, who fund them with their revenues from doing exactly the evil big tech things being decried here. Linux funding is the same story. Browser funding is the same story. So too for most open source 'success stories'. There are exceptions, like SQLite, but they are rare. To the extent exceptions exist, it's mostly due to B2B consulting and enterprise contracts, which is not a business model that works for consumer-facing software of any kind.

[1] Zig is, I think, the only living counterexample.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by charcircuit »

wavewrangler wrote: post #66
simmonmt wrote: post #59

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It's not entirely the fault of the industry. Consumer preferences are part of this equation too. https://www.streamtvinsider.com/advertising/roku-vizio-lean-... If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, then what we've got is what you get. You could certainly argue that the industry should've held the line,…

What do you mean? I don’t recall ever asking manufacturers if I could trade my privacy for a discount. I don’t remember that at all…people will pay whatever the price is, if inflation hasn’t taught that to you, then I’m not sure what to tell you. The other thing inflation showed us, is that manufacturers will absolutely put a price on what they feel is “decent profit.” Cmon dude. Do you not remember how much we paid…

>I don't recall asking

Companies can develop new products without your advice. In fact consumers often don't know what they want.

>people will pay whatever the price is

Then why do businesses have sales? If prices don't matter why would businesses choose to make less money per sale?

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by fwip »

malikNF wrote: post #70
fwip wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

So change the wifi password.

I did bring that up in the second sentence of my two-sentence comment.
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