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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by debugnik »

duxup wrote: post #138
snapetom wrote: post #34

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Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

A coworker of mine once answered the wrong cell phone and said the wrong company name. (He was working for a competitor as well as our company.) Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn.

A professor at a vocational training degree shared us a VM for a class project. Filled with dozens of porn bookmarks. He eventually realised and stayed after class to delete the VM from every class computer, deleting all the work of classmates who didn't take a backup home.

This prompted the people who lost their work to actually report the porn in revenge.

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Post by tornado134 »

sen wrote: post #142
duxup wrote: post #138

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A coworker of mine once answered the wrong cell phone and said the wrong company name. (He was working for a competitor as well as our company.) Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn.

> Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn. Every tech support worker has seen this countless times. So many people are completely blind to the idea that turning your device over to support means support can actually see what’s on your device…

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by eviks »

outside1234 wrote: post #22
pluc wrote: post #16

> Apple alleges that Liu ran a simulation in March using the circuit schematic file in LTspice, an electrical engineering tool. In messages from around that time, Liu said his AI “agent” learned to run LTspice and review the results. "I didn't steal it, I fed it to an agent who then fed it back to me". > Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learnin…

Let's do intellectual property from books next!

Hasn't the book dust already (been) settled in court?

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

aeternum wrote: post #109
dgellow wrote: post #3

The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…

Sounds like Apple might soon own some Jalapeño

That's a good macOS version name

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by alyeska2 »

alexjplant wrote: post #144
snapetom wrote: post #34

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Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

To paraphrase the sage Jimmy McMillan: the number of people who interview on their work laptops is too damn high. I'm always flabbergasted when they admit this and not once has somebody who did so passed. IME there's a strong correlation between good judgment and technical prowess in this regard but I suppose stories like this prove me wrong.

Who cares? A modern worker is on Zoom meetings for multiple hours a day, if one of those hours happens to be talking to a recruiter or hiring manager, so what? People also sometimes talk to their kids school or their dentist or the plumber at their house during the work day.

I'm a people manager, and I wouldn't bat an eye at a candidate I was interviewing joining the zoom from their work laptop and I wouldn't care if someone on my team used their work laptop rather than their personal device if they were interviewing elsewhere.

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Post by blks »

satvikpendem wrote: post #147
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83

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I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

But when I said the exact same thing [0], people were talking about how it's their "culture" to use corporate laptops for personal usage, and I even got downvoted and flagged if you read the thread (turn showdead on in your HN settings). It's baffling indeed, but I guess people will learn the hard way, that companies can see everything you store and even type on there. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4785194…

Really depends if company has some spyware installed. My work MacBook was just given me as plain new MacBook that I installed everything myself. Personal iCloud, work OneDrive, no corporate spyware

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Post by blks »

computerex wrote: post #70
ebbi wrote: post #58

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We have a plague here in NZ of top-level Police officers using work-issued devices to access and store CSAM material.

Wow that got dark real quick, mind sharing any links/evidence? Never would have thought NZ has a CSAM problem.

Why not? It’s the same as everywhere else, it has men. Just knowing that places like Kiwi Farms exists is enough evidence of good number of garbage people

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Post by Gud »

sixsevenrot wrote: post #148
sokoloff wrote: post #116

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I have more personally owned computers than is reasonable, but I can understand people who get issued a company laptop and use it for everything. It’s a couple hundred bucks a year to keep a personal laptop and if you’re mostly accessing cloud services, I can easily understand the temptation to use a company laptop for it all.

Also, when you travel or even commute using public transport, you don't always want to carry two laptops around.

I fly around the world for work. I have two laptops, plus a triple screen setup. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0GTQZWG77/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_bdcrb...

1. You leave the company laptop at work(in my case, at site).

2. Get a lightweight laptop for yourself.

3. Get a proper travel laptop bag. I have this one from Brics

https://www.bricsmilano.com/en-gb/products/underseat-backpac...

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Post by defrost »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #145
ebbi wrote: post #130

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Anything greater than 0, in leadership roles of the organization that should be one the most highly trusted in the country, is a plague.

so you would call it a "plague" if it was just one guy? hopefully you can see how ridiculous that would work out in practice.

From the sysadmin PoV it's never "one guy" or even "just two"; what is common, however, is just one or two policemen, one or two soldiers, or one two judges make the news and the limelight of public prosecutions.

It's good to be seen to be tackling this kind of behaviour, rarely ever good (apparently) to fully rip the band aid off and report just how wide spread such behaviour can go.

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Post by m4rtink »

rjsw wrote: post #57
joshka wrote: post #14

> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.” This is somewhat of a high impact argument to test. I wonder if the case will eventually get to working this point out.

A related argument could be whether the output of an LLM that has been trained on GPL code should also be considered to be under a GPL licence.

I would not have a problem with that. :)
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