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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning "may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret." Yes. Yes, please make this argument, Apple. Some fascinating other conclusions follow from this.

What are you referring to?

That using AI to create derivative works of proprietary or copyrighted content would count as intellectual property theft.

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lol oh no the plagiarism machine got plagiarized!

Apple is essentially arguing that once an LLM system is tainted with IP that the whole system is tainted...

I wonder how they trained siri

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Reminds me of the story of an ex-Coca-Cola employee who offered to sell the secret recipe to Pepsi. Pepsi immediately let Coca-Cola know and it was handled. Not a good look for OpenAI. They come off as desperate and unprofessional.

Based on all evidence so far Sam Altman has negative scruples so I'm pretty sure this would be incentivised if anything.

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you referring to?

That using AI to create derivative works of proprietary or copyrighted content would count as intellectual property theft.

I'd love that, but that generalizes the argument, and it does not naturally follow that this is true.

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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lol oh no the plagiarism machine got plagiarized!

Has anyone seen Pandora? I want to have a look inside that box she's been carrying around...it's time we start suing the pants off this "generative" stuff...

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.” This is somewhat of a high impact argument to test. I wonder if the case will eventually get to working this point out.

A related argument could be whether the output of an LLM that has been trained on GPL code should also be considered to be under a GPL licence.

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…

Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

We have a plague here in NZ of top-level Police officers using work-issued devices to access and store CSAM material.

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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> Apple alleges that Liu ran a simulation in March using the circuit schematic file in LTspice, an electrical engineering tool. In messages from around that time, Liu said his AI “agent” learned to run LTspice and review the results. "I didn't steal it, I fed it to an agent who then fed it back to me". > Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learnin…

I'm not arguing for either side, but here's a fun thought experiment I've been thinking about a lot lately. If I learned things at one company, took my experience and memory to another company, and applied what I had learned there, am I technically stealing that company's secrets? What if I trained a team of agents to think and code like me at work, then exported those agentic skills and took them with me to another company? At what point would they still be considered the old company's property? Let's say I didn't take any code or proprietary information from the old company, just the coding style and best practices my agents learned from the old company's live metrics. Is that considered stealing from the company? Is that any different from me learning those patterns and skills personally and then reapplying them elsewhere?

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is essentially arguing that once an LLM system is tainted with IP that the whole system is tainted...

I wonder how they trained siri

definitely not by someone asking it about circuit schematics
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