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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by Muromec »

morkalork wrote: post #24
steveBK123 wrote: post #21

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> I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail Never, ever, ever sign into personal mail/messaging on work machines. Even the appearance of having done so just sets up for bad things. This was kinda iffy 20 years ago, now its crazy to do. We all have phones now, there's no good reason to do this.

Hell, some employers are even helpful enough to block gmail, yahoo etc domains on their network.

I can't open pretty much anything, including shoghoth face and linked in, but thankfully this imageboard and YouTube are spared. I still wonder how the powers that be didn't bother to ban npm on dev machines

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by Muromec »

jubilanti wrote: post #62
biggc wrote: post #17

> Additionally, Apple learned about Liu’s use of the schematic because he used it on a Mac mini which later synced via iCloud to the MacBook he took from Apple. Apple now also wants access to that Mac mini. I'm very curious about the privacy implications of this. I know that anything I do and store on my company's laptop can be tracked, but I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it t…

Techies tend to associate access control with legal control. Nothing could be farther from the truth, especially when it comes to legal discovery and subpoenas. And it gets worse. The 4th amendment protects against unreasonable searches from the government without a warrant, not all searches. If you have evidence on your personal devices that a judge believes could be relevant to the outcome of a criminal or civil tr…

There is a difference between judge signed warrant and nosy CISO or HR person having feelings. A whole world of difference

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by ndriscoll »

iAMkenough wrote: post #104
2legit2quit wrote: post #93

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> I'm very curious about the privacy implications of this. I know that anything I do and store on my company's laptop can be tracked, but I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it that they could legally search that information. If it's work-related, work computer only. If it's anything personal, personal computer only. This is especially true for situations where companies are using…

I was under the impression that Apple requires its employees to login with personal Apple ID accounts for cloud storage. > “You go through these steps of getting all your software set up, and all your devices provisioned to access internal Apple networks, and things like that. And it explicitly says you cannot use your corporate Apple account to set this up.” https://cybersecurityventures.com/does-apple-spy-on-its-em…

How's that supposed to work? Apple requires employees to own Apple products or have a personal account in the first place? That doesn't sound believable.

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Post by vkou »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #87
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83

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I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

>Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment? Yes. And the resume was updated and the applications filed while on the clock. https://youtu.be/WcyNWbx8kAo?t=4 (the timestamp is important)

If you're salaried, every moment of time in your life is on the clock.

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Post by itake »

steveBK123 wrote: post #21
biggc wrote: post #17

> Additionally, Apple learned about Liu’s use of the schematic because he used it on a Mac mini which later synced via iCloud to the MacBook he took from Apple. Apple now also wants access to that Mac mini. I'm very curious about the privacy implications of this. I know that anything I do and store on my company's laptop can be tracked, but I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it t…

> I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail Never, ever, ever sign into personal mail/messaging on work machines. Even the appearance of having done so just sets up for bad things. This was kinda iffy 20 years ago, now its crazy to do. We all have phones now, there's no good reason to do this.

you're not wrong, but its really annoying carrying 2 laptops and 2 phones and 2 charging bricks [0].

Especially when work picks out the 16.2" laptop for you.

[0] - Yes, I know there are 3rd party multi-port USB-C charging products, but the wattage isn't as high as having 2 different bricks.

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by sokoloff »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83
snapetom wrote: post #34

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Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

I have more personally owned computers than is reasonable, but I can understand people who get issued a company laptop and use it for everything.

It’s a couple hundred bucks a year to keep a personal laptop and if you’re mostly accessing cloud services, I can easily understand the temptation to use a company laptop for it all.

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Post by jasonfarnon »

MrKiwi wrote: post #97
computerex wrote: post #70

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Wow that got dark real quick, mind sharing any links/evidence? Never would have thought NZ has a CSAM problem.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/1101088/aucklan... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/second-auckland-police-officer... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/567348/revealed... It's not all sunshine and rainbows in our little country

I mean, the headline says "second". Anything greater than 0 is bad but seems a little short of a "plague".

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Post by ted_dunning »

mandeepj wrote: post #85
newtonapple wrote: post #59

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I'm not arguing for either side, but here's a fun thought experiment I've been thinking about a lot lately. If I learned things at one company, took my experience and memory to another company, and applied what I had learned there, am I technically stealing that company's secrets? What if I trained a team of agents to think and code like me at work, then exported those agentic skills and took them with me to another…

> At what point would they still be considered the old company's property? It depends on your contracts (aka NDAs). Sometimes employers do ban for that very same reason from joining a competitor(s) for x years from date of separation

It also depends on your law. In California, some companies still try to put these restrictions into contracts, but that contradicts state law so it has no legal effect. The intended effect is intimidation, however, which may work with some people.

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Post by sokoloff »

ndriscoll wrote: post #113
iAMkenough wrote: post #104

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I was under the impression that Apple requires its employees to login with personal Apple ID accounts for cloud storage. > “You go through these steps of getting all your software set up, and all your devices provisioned to access internal Apple networks, and things like that. And it explicitly says you cannot use your corporate Apple account to set this up.” https://cybersecurityventures.com/does-apple-spy-on-its-em…

How's that supposed to work? Apple requires employees to own Apple products or have a personal account in the first place? That doesn't sound believable.

Requiring them to make a (free) Apple account doesn’t sound unreasonable.

“Go to https://account.apple.com/ and make one that doesn’t use your Apple corporate email” seems like a fair and legal work instruction to me.

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Post by ted_dunning »

petcat wrote: post #79
znpy wrote: post #52

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I wonder how they trained siri

I thought Siri was just Google Gemini

It's not nearly that simple. Apple used Google frontier models in training Siri, but Siri is not just a pass-through to Gemini.
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