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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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lozenge wrote: post #38
biggc wrote: post #17

> Additionally, Apple learned about Liu’s use of the schematic because he used it on a Mac mini which later synced via iCloud to the MacBook he took from Apple. Apple now also wants access to that Mac mini. I'm very curious about the privacy implications of this. I know that anything I do and store on my company's laptop can be tracked, but I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it t…

I think I've heard about this before, apparently Apple encourages its employees to use the same iCloud account for personal and business use.

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Post by sen »

duxup wrote: post #138
snapetom wrote: post #34

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Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

A coworker of mine once answered the wrong cell phone and said the wrong company name. (He was working for a competitor as well as our company.) Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn.

> Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn.

Every tech support worker has seen this countless times. So many people are completely blind to the idea that turning your device over to support means support can actually see what’s on your device…

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Post by nozzlegear »

lozenge wrote: post #38
biggc wrote: post #17

> Additionally, Apple learned about Liu’s use of the schematic because he used it on a Mac mini which later synced via iCloud to the MacBook he took from Apple. Apple now also wants access to that Mac mini. I'm very curious about the privacy implications of this. I know that anything I do and store on my company's laptop can be tracked, but I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it t…

I think I've heard about this before, apparently Apple encourages its employees to use the same iCloud account for personal and business use.

Yeah, from what I remember they have a funky iCloud file share thing set up for the whole company, and it requires them to either sign in with their personal iCloud account, or carry two iPhones (one for personal, one for work). Most employees understandably opt for the first option.

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Post by alexjplant »

snapetom wrote: post #34
dgellow wrote: post #3

The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…

Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

To paraphrase the sage Jimmy McMillan: the number of people who interview on their work laptops is too damn high. I'm always flabbergasted when they admit this and not once has somebody who did so passed. IME there's a strong correlation between good judgment and technical prowess in this regard but I suppose stories like this prove me wrong.

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Post by jasonfarnon »

ebbi wrote: post #130
jasonfarnon wrote: post #117

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I mean, the headline says "second". Anything greater than 0 is bad but seems a little short of a "plague".

Anything greater than 0, in leadership roles of the organization that should be one the most highly trusted in the country, is a plague.

so you would call it a "plague" if it was just one guy? hopefully you can see how ridiculous that would work out in practice.

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Post by subarctic »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #66
s__s wrote: post #61

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Coca-Cola is the only company that can legally import and process raw coca leaves into a flavoring agent. It’s literally impossible to duplicate their exact recipe.

where did you find that? (super interesting)

The Acquired episode on coca cola

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Post by satvikpendem »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83
snapetom wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

But when I said the exact same thing [0], people were talking about how it's their "culture" to use corporate laptops for personal usage, and I even got downvoted and flagged if you read the thread (turn showdead on in your HN settings). It's baffling indeed, but I guess people will learn the hard way, that companies can see everything you store and even type on there.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47851948#47854312

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Post by sixsevenrot »

sokoloff wrote: post #116
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83

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I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

I have more personally owned computers than is reasonable, but I can understand people who get issued a company laptop and use it for everything. It’s a couple hundred bucks a year to keep a personal laptop and if you’re mostly accessing cloud services, I can easily understand the temptation to use a company laptop for it all.

Also, when you travel or even commute using public transport, you don't always want to carry two laptops around.

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Post by debugnik »

satvikpendem wrote: post #147
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

But when I said the exact same thing [0], people were talking about how it's their "culture" to use corporate laptops for personal usage, and I even got downvoted and flagged if you read the thread (turn showdead on in your HN settings). It's baffling indeed, but I guess people will learn the hard way, that companies can see everything you store and even type on there. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4785194…

Off the bat, you said that there shouldn't be expectations of privacy, not just that there currently isn't, which is not the exact same thing.

I've never used company equipment for anything personal beyond a quick Google search, but I'd still like there to be some degree of privacy in case I ever feel pressured to do so, e.g. by a deadline to fill a form.

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Post by [deleted] »

satvikpendem wrote: post #147
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?

But when I said the exact same thing [0], people were talking about how it's their "culture" to use corporate laptops for personal usage, and I even got downvoted and flagged if you read the thread (turn showdead on in your HN settings). It's baffling indeed, but I guess people will learn the hard way, that companies can see everything you store and even type on there. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4785194…

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