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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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We have a plague here in NZ of top-level Police officers using work-issued devices to access and store CSAM material.

Wow that got dark real quick, mind sharing any links/evidence? Never would have thought NZ has a CSAM problem.

I can't find the stat, but if memory serves me correctly, NZ over-indexes in CSAM-related crime. It's unfortunate, but it's not always good news down on our little islands.

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Is this an AI response? coca-cola was replicated by one guy and confirmed in blind taste test by several other people, no magical machinery needed to make it once you know the ingredients. What about quality? That has nothing to do with it. Of course they're trying to be the better coke, that's why they tried making coke with the same color with more sugar and made the flavors stronger.

Coca-Cola is the only company that can legally import and process raw coca leaves into a flavoring agent. It’s literally impossible to duplicate their exact recipe.

If you live in the US sure. I live in a Latin American country where it’s legal to buy coca leaves (cocaine is illegal obviously, but the leaves aren’t and are commonly sold in health food stores of all places for tea).

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Is this an AI response? coca-cola was replicated by one guy and confirmed in blind taste test by several other people, no magical machinery needed to make it once you know the ingredients. What about quality? That has nothing to do with it. Of course they're trying to be the better coke, that's why they tried making coke with the same color with more sugar and made the flavors stronger.

The “machinery” being the marketing, distribution, and general scale, not the physical vats used to mix it. Even if you could replicate the exact flavor, you’d still need to do it at scale and get it into stores and convince people to buy it. As to “just make it yourself”, everyone can make a sandwich, Jersey Mike’s and several other sandwich shops exist successfully.

I don't know if you have seen it, but the recipe is 1:1 of what cocacola is, scientifically proven. (Altho it tastes closer to original cola since replicating coca 1:1 is impossible)

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>Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment? Yes. And the resume was updated and the applications filed while on the clock. https://youtu.be/WcyNWbx8kAo?t=4 (the timestamp is important)

If you're salaried, every moment of time in your life is on the clock.

That depends on jurisdiction

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I mean, the headline says "second". Anything greater than 0 is bad but seems a little short of a "plague".

Anything greater than 0, in leadership roles of the organization that should be one the most highly trusted in the country, is a plague.

It’s horrible, it deserves severe legal punishment, but “plague” to me implies a broad pattern.

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The “machinery” being the marketing, distribution, and general scale, not the physical vats used to mix it. Even if you could replicate the exact flavor, you’d still need to do it at scale and get it into stores and convince people to buy it. As to “just make it yourself”, everyone can make a sandwich, Jersey Mike’s and several other sandwich shops exist successfully.

I don't know if you have seen it, but the recipe is 1:1 of what cocacola is, scientifically proven. (Altho it tastes closer to original cola since replicating coca 1:1 is impossible)

Are you actually reading my responses?

I’m saying the formula is immaterial. It’s also about being able to produce at scale, market, and distribute.

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How's that supposed to work? Apple requires employees to own Apple products or have a personal account in the first place? That doesn't sound believable.

Requiring them to make a (free) Apple account doesn’t sound unreasonable. “Go to https://account.apple.com/ and make one that doesn’t use your Apple corporate email” seems like a fair and legal work instruction to me.

That seems crazy to me. I've always had my employers either provide or offer to provide me with anything I'll use for work. Asking someone to use a non-corporate-managed account for work seems especially insane to me. I've never heard of that.

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The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…

Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…

A coworker of mine once answered the wrong cell phone and said the wrong company name. (He was working for a competitor as well as our company.)

Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn.

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the fact that llms can spit out books they've been trained on near verbatim lends some credence to this.

"However, we also find that Llama 3.1 70B memorizes some books, like Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone and 1984, almost entirely. In fact, Harry Potter is so memorized that, using a seed prompt consisting of just the first line of chapter 1, we can deterministically generate the entire book near-verbatim. " https://reglab.stanford.edu/publications/extracting-memorize...

A more important quote from that link:

> With our specific experiments, we find that the largest LLMs don’t memorize most books–either in whole or in part.

This technique has only ever been made to work with a vanishingly small number of extremely popular works, probably because they are so overrepresented in the training data set.

The risk with IP, however, is a lot more grave. You may not even need to memorize the details of the IP verbatim, just the broad idea may be enough. It may lurk encoded in the weights forever, just waiting to be activated by the right prompt to start a chain of thought that unlocks further details. Heck, it may even appear as if the model suggested the idea itself.

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…

Sounds like Apple might soon own some Jalapeño

I think they'll settle for some of the sweet, sweet DRAM supply that Altman has locked up.
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