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Not really OpenAI but today's society. I say this started with the "just do it and ask for forgiveness later" attitude that started maybe 20 or 30 years ago. At one time most people had respect, even people at the top, now many people just do what they want. Plus most of the time they get away with it.
Well the asking for forgiveness part is also missing in this case, entirely.
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I was under the impression that Apple requires its employees to login with personal Apple ID accounts for cloud storage. > “You go through these steps of getting all your software set up, and all your devices provisioned to access internal Apple networks, and things like that. And it explicitly says you cannot use your corporate Apple account to set this up.” https://cybersecurityventures.com/does-apple-spy-on-its-em…
How's that supposed to work? Apple requires employees to own Apple products or have a personal account in the first place? That doesn't sound believable.
I'm also under the impression that Apple requires its employees to dogfood their products and services. Hoping someone with personal experience and a lapsed NDA can chime in.
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> Never, ever, ever sign into personal mail/messaging on work machines apple explicitly encourages their employees to do exactly this - it's called "carry"ing your work device.
encourages, but doesn’t require. My work phone is an iPhone 14 that I only use for Slack notifications & to check the next day’s schedule when I don’t want to bother opening their laptop.
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encourages, but doesn’t require. My work phone is an iPhone 14 that I only use for Slack notifications & to check the next day’s schedule when I don’t want to bother opening their laptop.
i don't see your point - my point is apple actively encourages this thing that is being painted as terrible character flaw.
A “carry” or “live on” device doesn’t have to be used for personal email and messages. It should just be used for more real-world non-test workloads. The lessons of only testing iPhone 4 in stealth cases hasn’t been forgottten.
I do agree that Apple likes to have it both ways, though.
> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.” This is somewhat of a high impact argument to test. I wonder if the case will eventually get to working this point out.
the fact that llms can spit out books they've been trained on near verbatim lends some credence to this.
https://reglab.stanford.edu/publications/extracting-memorize...
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That using AI to create derivative works of proprietary or copyrighted content would count as intellectual property theft.
I'd love that, but that generalizes the argument, and it does not naturally follow that this is true.
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i don't see your point - my point is apple actively encourages this thing that is being painted as terrible character flaw.
When Ashley Gjovik was fired, she complained the pressure to use work devices for personal stuff was considerable. I stopped carrying back then & haven’t felt any pressure. A “carry” or “live on” device doesn’t have to be used for personal email and messages. It should just be used for more real-world non-test workloads. The lessons of only testing iPhone 4 in stealth cases hasn’t been forgottten. I do agree that App…
if you're who i suspect you are, then you're being wholly disingenuous because you're not a dev. for a dev there is much more pressure.
> Apple alleges that Liu ran a simulation in March using the circuit schematic file in LTspice, an electrical engineering tool. In messages from around that time, Liu said his AI “agent” learned to run LTspice and review the results. "I didn't steal it, I fed it to an agent who then fed it back to me". > Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learnin…
I'm not arguing for either side, but here's a fun thought experiment I've been thinking about a lot lately. If I learned things at one company, took my experience and memory to another company, and applied what I had learned there, am I technically stealing that company's secrets? What if I trained a team of agents to think and code like me at work, then exported those agentic skills and took them with me to another…
The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…
Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/1101088/aucklan... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/second-auckland-police-officer... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/567348/revealed... It's not all sunshine and rainbows in our little country
I mean, the headline says "second". Anything greater than 0 is bad but seems a little short of a "plague".