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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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We can fix this by holding each other accountable. Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need.

Guessing you haven't take the HR training - thats not allowed anymore.

Evidently not in that industry.

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We can fix this by holding each other accountable. Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need.

> Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need. It's been demonstrated over centuries that this is unreliable. We end up needing a third party (commonly governments) to step in and establish rules and referee behavior. We wouldn't have an EPA, FCC, SEC, or many other organizations and laws if private actors could successfully police themselves.

Private actors are inevitably part of groups. Those groups need to hold the individual members accountable. That obviously doesn't work any more in SV among wealth-obsessed tech-bros. It still works in other parts of the economy though.

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> Additionally, Apple learned about Liu’s use of the schematic because he used it on a Mac mini which later synced via iCloud to the MacBook he took from Apple. Apple now also wants access to that Mac mini. I'm very curious about the privacy implications of this. I know that anything I do and store on my company's laptop can be tracked, but I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it t…

> I hadn't considered that if I forgot to sign out of my personal Gmail on it that they could legally search that information

I don't think this is true, this would still be unauthorized access on your employer's end and would be considered illegal. They're not allowed to pose as you to access your services iirc.

You should obviously still sign out (or never sign in in the first place) of course!

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That's because pepsi already had coca-cola's secret recipe. I'm sure if they didn't have it already they would have been more than happy to at least have some knowledge before reporting it, but not like they didn't have the talent, money or technology to reverse engineer it at least a decade ago at that point.

No, it's because Pepsi isn't trying to be Coke, they're trying to be better than Coke. So having the recipe is kind of moot. Even if they were to take the recipe and publish it for all to see, you would still need all of the other machinery that is Coca-Cola to make Coca-Cola. And then you have issues of quality. Coca-Cola has certain standards, it's not a guarantee that everyone else will have those same standards.…

Is this an AI response? coca-cola was replicated by one guy and confirmed in blind taste test by several other people, no magical machinery needed to make it once you know the ingredients.

What about quality? That has nothing to do with it.

Of course they're trying to be the better coke, that's why they tried making coke with the same color with more sugar and made the flavors stronger.

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Happened at a (large) company I worked for in the past. A devops guy stole the DB ahead of going to work with a rival, he was caught and the rival of course wanted nothing to do with it. I'm not sure of his fate but it couldn't have been much fun.

Happens occasionally at big corporations, even the bloodsucking vampire. Best to distance yourself from such employees - lest they will do to you what they have done to others. The difference is, relative to OpenAi they have standards and morals.

In this case there is a big chance he was hired by OpenAI because of that - or even was asked to do it.

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lol oh no the plagiarism machine got plagiarized!

Apple is essentially arguing that once an LLM system is tainted with IP that the whole system is tainted...

is it not?

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning "may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret." Yes. Yes, please make this argument, Apple. Some fascinating other conclusions follow from this.

What are you referring to?

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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post #46

Citadel had an employee take code, and had to use divers to recover it from a canal: https://www.businessinsider.com/yihao-ben-pu-citadel-2011-11

One of the things I always told kids who came into these big trading firms is the owner(s) is/are a billionaire, and likely came up from one of the trading floors or something adjacent. They are not the “forgiving” types when it comes to shit like this, and they have infinitely more resources than you.

So maybe don’t try to steal code, or trade concepts.

Hasn’t stopped some people I know from trying…

(For clarification I am not ex-CitSec and do not know this poor SOB, but he serves as the perfect poster child for “Don’t do that”)

Re: Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

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> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.” This is somewhat of a high impact argument to test. I wonder if the case will eventually get to working this point out.

the fact that llms can spit out books they've been trained on near verbatim lends some credence to this.
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