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I'm not quite sure why you ask that? I'm not arguing that these two very different examples are the same, I'm explaining more concretely what it means to say that a CEO's job is to "to be responsible to the business".

And you don't see being laid off due to the business's failure as being "responsible to the business"?

I do. It’s on the CEO’s shoulders the other 95% of the time. (Which again, I agree is not some horrible deal, it’s much more fun to be a CEO who’s stressed with too many calls than a blue collar worker who’s stressed about feeding their family.)

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Agreed. LLMs are the Manhattan Project of the class war. It really looks like they're betting everything that this will "win" it for them

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There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy born in smokey rooms for there to be a malignant culture of greed and moral bankruptcy. And it’s possible for one group or class to consolidate enough power to constitute an unfair advantage.

“I’m just doing what the market rewards” and “if I don’t, the next guy will” are the 21st century billionaire’s “I was just following orders.” It creates a race to the bottom.

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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That is simply a result of evolution as a species. We have oddly moved beyond where we potentially needed to be as a species for the financial benefit of a few and now we are reversing in quality of life due to the focus being on financial gain. Western citizens live a more selfish and worse life overall in terms of individual wealth, buying power, job availability, overall health, than say 20/30 years ago.

We definitely have problems, but I'd check those stats. When you do that, you see something interesting. There are three things, the "three devils" as I heard one article call them, that are largely responsible for the perceived decline vs 20-30 years ago: the cost of housing, health care, and college tuition. Of those housing is the worst because it's the most universally unavoidable. Ignore housing, health care, an…

Firstly, I won't ignore,what in the US the two biggest expenses, healthcare and housing and in the rest of the world, housing. It's a life essential that in most first world countries is becoming a scarce resource that many have to fight for. The ability to own your own dwelling is disappearing due to wages not keeping up with inflation.

Again, buying power, it would be less of an issue if wages kept up with inflation of the key products, aka housing. The largest item someone will buy is a home and that's reduced in quality.

The second most important thing for most people, is a job, and as I said, in most industries they have not matched with inflation. Therefore those today are working the same but earning a lot less for it. That is with or without a recession.

You may be able to theoretically consume more due to value decreasing of products but that's countered by the above. Likewise individual wealth, is just that, individual. Not everyone is doing better, most aren't, and we need a society where all are doing ok, rather than some doing great and some not.

(That EV costs more to begin with even with subsidies, and that disposable of the batteries are gigantic drain on resources. We still need to move to public transport.)

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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I got Italian last night and their drunk linguinist made me spaghetti instead of linguini.

Thank you for showing me how to use that bigram in context. But the question remains, how does a drunk linguinist speak?

Much more eloquently than a drunk buccatinist, that's for sure!

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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To be fair I think its far easier to automate leadership jobs despite how they believe in greater self-worth. As a developer I keep running into problems that require some measure of creativity to solve or workaround. And regardless of how many years I've been in the industry I'm not running out of issues. They just keep getting more obscure. On the other hand leadership communication and problem resolution seem like…

The value-add for a meatbag CEO is the physical networking they do. They have to do executive functions as well, which could quite possibly be replaced with a well-trained LLM and even possibly exceed in overall quality. But an LLM can't go to conferences; they can't have Top Secret Meetings where a merger or acquisition is discussed; they can't run into Jim Executive of BigCorp Inc. in Vail and scheme up some big ne…

Why should any of that be a secret? We don't have to give companies rights that normal people do not have. If there is money to be made, let two AIs discuss it. CEOs are way too corrupt and way too overpaid to be trusted. local AI wiped out one of my harddrives trying to resize it. That is less damage than a CEO can do. AI is safer than a human CEO.

If we restored the 1950s tax code that discouraged mergers and kept CEOs from grifting, everything you were concerned about stops happening. Businesses were way more honest when there are thousands of local and regional competitors. Federal tax cuts let CEOs merge everything.

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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How does that work when they're both using Claude? Does it negotiate with itself?

Why not? They'll have significant differences in prompting and will both "want" to win.

And why dont we wear our pants on our heads and a shirt for pants?

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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post #731

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Right, if a janitor can leave the hallways for a week and they're still clean on his return we should let him go

Yes. Your point is?

That the janitor did a good job cleaning the hallways and building enough of a reputation amongst those in the building to not trash the hallways

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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I’m all for productive people, brilliant engineers. I still get dirty with codes/work all the way down to the newly hired fresh out of college kids, to the production architects that shapes multi-million, if not billions, of P&L. I’m also very lucky to be included in key decision making, planning, negating amongst the boards of C-Suites, Directors, VPs. A very personal view but many developers/engineers fail to see t…

> Almost all decisions that businesses take have nothing to do with the proficiencies of technologies or engineering finesse, or even the best options, but mostly on “incentives” and who can take/own the “blame.” This argument always confuses me because it seems like lower level employees are the ones that get quickly dismissed when things get bad while a lot of C level executives seem to have some sort of compensati…

- A developer continues to get paid if they accidentally write a bug that needs to be fixed, even if if it costs the business money to fix it.

- A CxO continues to get paid if they accidentally make a bad business decision that needs to be fixed, even if it costs the business money to fix it.

If you want a model where employees have to give up compensation for their mistakes, it would affect low ranking employees far more harshly than it would affect executives.

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