Is Asahi an LLM-hostile project? I'd imagine this is something that would be benefitted tremendously with a Fable class model
Asahi appears to be LLM-hostile with extreme prejudice:
Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#232We seriously need an open hardware law or something. Like it doesn't have to be regulation necessarily (as by law) but we really need to start very strongly pressuring/forcing companies to open up their hardware and provide all documentation to get any operating system to run on it, and to hell with what the manufacturer wants (to prevent things like attestation requirements). This entire "just let random volunteers…
I like this idea, but a prerequisite would likely be removing or substantially revamping patent and related IP law. That is probably also a good thing; I’d love if the bar to which process specificity in a patent was held was one that was sufficient for behavior reverse-engineering, but it seems very difficult to enact that change.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#233I've pretty much given up on Asahi because of the years-long delays, and because there's no performant way to share disk space for data with MacOS. By running Linux in a VM on MacOS on Apple silicon, you sacrifice some raw speed but in return you still get to run MacOS apps occasionally and have access to the same data from either MacOS or Linux without having to duplicate everything. And battery life is reasonable,…
Not saying your VM approach isn't right for you, but: > and because there's no performant way to share disk space for data with MacOS Have you tried a ZFS partition? If it's a desktop system use iSCSI to network storage (I'm not running Linux directly on my Studio or M4 mini but I still put my Home folder on the network)?
Or good old FAT+symlinks from the MacOS partition might be sufficient, if you don’t need large files. NTFS, ironically, is pretty stable via FUSE on Mac if you need more than FAT allows.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I paid thousands of dollars to apple who provided a great hw product with their own OS preinstalled and free".
"... so that I can never switch to anything ever due to vendor lock-in, which includes hard-to-transfer data, muscle memory and habit forming not applicable to other OSes, accounts bound to iCloud, voluntary surrender of privacy, acceptance of planned obsolescence and non-repairability, lack of support beyond 'try turning it off-on' or 'replace your device for half its price', etc., etc. But hey, the hw is great!"
>.. so that I can never switch to anything ever due to vendor lock-in,
What exactly prevents you? I use macOS, but have used Windows and still also use Linux, and can jump at a moment's notice if I wish. While keeping iPhone, or ditching that too for Android.
I'd lose the App Store bought apps, but I don't use that many of those, and the non-cross-platform apps would be an issue if I jumped away from any other OS too. The most expensive apps I use (Lightroom, Resolve, Photoshop), are available for Windows too, and some even for Linux.
Music and Movies are streaming, and I use Music, Spotify, Apple TV, Netflix and Prime (and increasingly less anyway). But if jumped, I'd hardly miss anything except Apple-exclusive TV shows and my playlists (which I'm sure are portable in some way, either some existing tool, or if I need some LLM to hack sqlite3 dbs).
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I would assume that once you have fully functional support for entire historical SoCs, the effort stops being "get most things working on most chips" and starts becoming "adapt already-working things to the newest chips". Yes, it's been years, but there's still so much hardware that Asahi doesn't have good support for yet, and that's dividing the efforts to support the newest chips. I'm sure that once all the existin…
I've daily driven Linux for years, even on laptops. Yet they're always plugged in because I've yet to see Linux out perform battery life of native OS's. Well, except for very niche and pared down Linux's. Rather it seems that as time goes on Linux just outgrows old devices entirely, again excluding very niche distros. Not that it makes them increasingly efficient. Have you seen Linux getting more efficient over time?…
I'm definitely not the one to ask, I use laptops as movable workstations, always plugged in.
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Framework 13 pro with new Intel chips claims to run 20h of 4k Netflix stream, or 17h of light web browsing @250 nits. That said these numbers are with windows.
Is it fanless, too? (or has the fan pretty much always off like a MBP)
It has a fan and I don't know how much it spins up.
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#237I hope they will support M4 soon, I cant stand macos and its desire to be different than everything else by custom keyboard shortcuts etc. After 2 years of usage, I still have issues with basic actions like copy paste. edit: omg, writing this post, i checked if there is some way to use linux shortcuts and there is (Kanesh/KMonad or Karabiner-Elements). Maybe my suffering will finally stop.
Counterpoint: OSX has the only sane copy paste shortcuts. The linux standard of "sometimes ctrl-c/v, sometimes shift-ctrl-c/v, and if you mess up you might kill your task" is preposterous.
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You have trade offs though. Both with added effort during the development but also just physical limits with the amount of additional losses you have over clicked vs soldered connections
That's true. I can't say i'm 100% against soldering parts, that would be silly. What concerns me is that undocumented parts that are unavailable to buy as spare parts are soldered and have firmware that enforces pairing with a specific other part. It would be reasonable if all components on a motherboard had to be sold as spare parts by law (not just the entire board that costs the same as the entire device, that's m…
Sure, and in a zero marginal cost world that would be fine and dandy. In practice, it would mean significantly increased development and documentation costs for a low percentage increase in sold units.
Selling spare parts was worth when things broke often and labor was cheap. We don’t live in that world anymore. That means a broken device will no linger get fixed. But on the plus side there are far fewer broken devices. I’m pretty sure that has the same problem shape as “there is no glory in prevention”
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Background processes almost never really use expensive resources on macOS or Linux. Certainly they can cause symptoms sometimes, but it's typically no worse than extra fan noise. All the wasted resources on most people's machines are going to a) pixel buffers b) browser tabs c) both.
Almost never. But still sometimes Also computers should run and not run what you choose. Apple should not be able to for e you to run "services" (for themselves) and apps you cant delete
You can't turn off random parts of a system someone else made. You don't know what they do.
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i snatched a lenovo yoga slim aura with a core 5 226 for 650 euro. Its build quality is on par if not better than the colleague's macbook, it's pretty good for working, runs fedora natively, battery last at least 12 hours unless i'm playing games.
The build quality is not even close. And macbooks are reaching 18-20 hours usage on battery nowadays, I have stopped carrying the power adapter most of the time. Of course it’s significantly more expensive, but you do get what you pay for.
correct! it's better on lenovos. All metal, trackpad has a proper click, keyboard doesn't shit itself. Screen is not retina, but then again i don't need that ridiculous resolution as the OS i'm using doesn't employ a toy UI with bubbles and rounded everything. Before this i had macbooks for 15 years, colleagues have this generation's macbooks at work, i like this one a lot more.