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Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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Post by psd1 »

altmanaltman wrote: post #114
euio757 wrote: post #45

CEO here, thanks just fired all my C suite team, https://github.com/SenteLabsAI/OpenExecutive/blob/main/packa... “Walking away costs you the deal. Signing costs you the company. The math is obvious in retrospect; harder in the moment when there's quota pressure” such valuable, should I say load-bearing insights Other gem from my new CFO: “The financial statements are the result. The variance analysis is where the ope…

The only thing worse than a human CEO is an AI CEO with power to fire you. People just don't think it will do stupid things, have nonsensicle orders which they have to follow, and likely fire people left right and center. But oh ho there is no human ceo, must be a good place to work!!

The joy in this thread is not anticipation of a better workplace - it's schadenfreude.

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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Post by cbolton »

Izkata wrote: post #617
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #580

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So John Nagle is an AI. Huh. Never would have guessed it, in a million years... To be fair, "Famous person accused of being an AI," was on my bingo card. It was inevitable for this kind of embarrassing mistake to happen.

Or at least he's being unintentionally influenced by it. Just out of curiosity I jumped a few years back in his comments looking for that pattern, and I don't really see it. By pure luck I even landed on a comment that uses that same word with a similar sentiment, except back then he wrote it as a full non-punchy sentence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31414288

Isn't it a bit arrogant to pass judgement with such confidence based on a three word sentence? Anyway maybe this will convince you:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25948632

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24862016

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11943786

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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Post by glitchbot »

deltarholamda wrote: post #565
crnkofe wrote: post #433

To be fair I think its far easier to automate leadership jobs despite how they believe in greater self-worth. As a developer I keep running into problems that require some measure of creativity to solve or workaround. And regardless of how many years I've been in the industry I'm not running out of issues. They just keep getting more obscure. On the other hand leadership communication and problem resolution seem like…

The value-add for a meatbag CEO is the physical networking they do. They have to do executive functions as well, which could quite possibly be replaced with a well-trained LLM and even possibly exceed in overall quality. But an LLM can't go to conferences; they can't have Top Secret Meetings where a merger or acquisition is discussed; they can't run into Jim Executive of BigCorp Inc. in Vail and scheme up some big ne…

CEO, the first AI, soulless automatons that do the programmers biding√π¶£.<\

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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Post by ZenoArrow »

zer00eyz wrote: post #543
TwelveEyes wrote: post #540

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I strongly disagree with this take. AI does not have the theory of mind to manage complex social environments, and AI does not have the context and intuition and experience required to replace a CEO, any more than a random external worker could take over their job for a day.

> context and intuition and experience required to replace a CEO Show me the CEO of a major tech firm who is accomplishing all this? https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/29/claude-opus-5-became-downr... Leadership, Management and being a Boss are not the same things. You need a solid mix of all three to be a successful executive. Cut throat, self aggrandizing, and a bit of a selfish asshole are all traits that lead to posi…

> Cut throat, self aggrandizing, and a bit of a selfish asshole are all traits that lead to positive outcomes in these roles.

Press X to doubt.

In my experience, with those types of leaders, success happens despite them not because of them. Someone in a leadership role may have built a strong team around them that can counteract their own toxic behaviours, and they may try to take credit for the successes of their team, but they aren't bringing out the best in that team. Toxic workplaces often start with toxic leadership.

Re: CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO

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Post by wuschel »

wongarsu wrote: post #558
wuschel wrote: post #547

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The way you have expressed it there are optimized workflows not only the managerial/executive, administrative, content producing set of workers, but in almost every profession, encoded in beaurocracy, checklist, best practices and culture: doctors, care workers, lawyers, policing ... The question is how well language models have internalized the optimal decision pathway and mitigating strategies to deviating circumst…

That ends up going in the DeepMind philopsophy of making AI, rather than the OpenAI philosophy. DeepMind makes AI that can defeat the best human Go players, OpenAI makes LLMs that are much more versatile but struggle with finishing a chess match without making illegal moves, never mind winning. The other question on my mind: Cases where we have known decision pathways is exactly what the expert systems of the 70s and…

Makes sense re Deepmind. I also guess it is easier to train an AI using Deepmind approach on the Starcraft 2, Go, or other more closed systems than in the rather open business world with all those rules that need to be interpreted by a human judge in case of problems.

Good point re expert systems. I need to look up what actually made them fail, or how they are not scaling.

Have you been working in the space?

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Post by imtringued »

majewsky wrote: post #485
api wrote: post #469

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> Understand human nature, incentives, and complex systems like markets and how they produce incentives. We do. "Class war" is just the succinct phrasing for "people who earn money through capital returns have vastly different incentives than people who earn money from their labor, and they also have the means to turn those interests into political leverage".

So why not just get rid of "earn money through capital returns" by removing the zero lower bound on cash so capital returns can finally be negative????

Of course that would go against the class war idea, then you can't blame others anymore. You'd have to accept how this objective improvement to your life as a labor income dependent person would also crush your own dreams of earning capital returns yourself.

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Post by imtringued »

api wrote: post #494
majewsky wrote: post #485

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> Understand human nature, incentives, and complex systems like markets and how they produce incentives. We do. "Class war" is just the succinct phrasing for "people who earn money through capital returns have vastly different incentives than people who earn money from their labor, and they also have the means to turn those interests into political leverage".

Except that when you comparison shop, you are helping construct those incentives. When you sell your labor you want it to cost as much as possible. When you buy the results of others labor you want them to be as cheap as possible. The system is circles, cycles, loops, two sided trades. It’s not one group of people unilaterally plotting things. When someone does try to do that they usually fail unless their plot happe…

>Real change would require changing the system not the people in it, but I see no ideas on how to do this from the typical pop Marxist at least. Maybe there are deeper thinkers out there. Usually it’s “proletarian revolution, magic happens here, utopia.” Instead you get a new capital class whose power is rooted in position in the party, like the CCP, and it behaves just like our capital class.

The typical pop Marxist denounces any form of observable incremental improvement as "reformism" which will supposedly pacify the workers and thereby delay the necessary revolution. From a Marxist perspective, things are going wrong when capitalism works better than what their book says and things are getting worse, when capitalism becomes less bad.

Needless to say, once the revolution does happen, they won't go back on their word and think "Okay now that the old system is gone, maybe we should look at the old (reformist) ideas and run a thousand small scientific experiments to see what actually works."

Because they are ideological purists rather than systemic engineers, they reject the very concept of trial and error. They genuinely believe they already know what's correct and what's wrong. They demand the utopia promised in the text immediately and with a 100% guarantee of success while simultaneously denying any way of actually getting there.

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Post by imtringued »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #694
api wrote: post #494

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Except that when you comparison shop, you are helping construct those incentives. When you sell your labor you want it to cost as much as possible. When you buy the results of others labor you want them to be as cheap as possible. The system is circles, cycles, loops, two sided trades. It’s not one group of people unilaterally plotting things. When someone does try to do that they usually fail unless their plot happe…

(I don't really respond to these kind of threads, but I'll respond to you because I respect you and am a Zerotier customer and have been for years. Thanks for your work!) > My deeper point is: there’s a lot of discontent out there for legitimate reasons, but I don’t think LARPing communism will help any more than LARPing fascism has. We need new ideas, not 19th century ones that failed. Right now it just feels like t…

It doesn't require deep thinking to understand that the idea of a guaranteed 0% return on cash is inherently a physically impossible lie and that this lie will have consequences on all of society since money is a mandatory monopoly and there is no competition between non thermodynamics aware and thermodynamics aware money systems.

The real blockade is that it would require everyone to admit that they are just as bad as Elon Musk, at least when it comes to the desire to accumulate infinite wealth. Everyone thinks they are in the right and that if they had control over all of society, their moral framework would improve the world, no matter what that moral framework actually is.

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Post by Hackbraten »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #487
Hackbraten wrote: post #446

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Isn’t it good practice to call them an alleged victim as long as the suspect, Luigi Nicholas Mangione, hasn’t been convicted?

Didn't he plead guilty?

He did. I live in a legislation where pledges aren’t a thing, so TIL that a pledge is equivalent to a conviction.

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Post by imtringued »

ozgung wrote: post #633
Gormo wrote: post #595

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Basically, yeah. Classification in general is a subjective, value-laden activity. At the most granular resolution, everything is fundamentally sui generis -- putting things into classes requires making subjective judgments about what qualities and characteristics you're going to ignore in order to focus on the ones you care about. Put simply, when you come up with a class/category taxonomy, you're drawing your own bo…

So you’re basically against the concept of classes and the act of classification . An interesting position to take in a hacker community but ok :) However you can’t simply dismiss a whole literature of class struggle by simply rejecting the notion of class fundamentally. Sure, every human being is unique and individual . But if you take a few million of them, patterns arise. Marketing people know and abuse this. Also…

>However you can’t simply dismiss a whole literature of class struggle by simply rejecting the notion of class fundamentally.

You can, you just assert that everyone is a worker and a capitalist simultaneously and that these individual components exist independent of their classification and the assortment of people into groups of classes and that what you call class is just the mundane reflection of some of those components outweighing other components.

When I suggest a tax on holding cash, hardline communists will argue along this insane line of thinking "this will impact workers the most because they are holding most of their net worth in cash". Ah yes, the capitalist worker, fighting for his capitalist interests. Amazing. What was the class struggle about again? Blaming others and absolving yourself of your own responsibility to fix this mess of an economy? Great, you are the problem!

Any remotely sane person siding with workers would realize that workers have an asset known as their own body including the associated lifespan of that body and this is an asset that is producing a future income over time. This asset is illiquid and completely exempt from a money based tax, but if you were to introduce a true wealth tax on all physical capital, the government would not be in the wrong if it assessed the "net worth" of your body and taxed you accordingly. So the ideology of taxing property directly is inherently a tax on labor and therefore not much different from a capitalist taking a cut from your labor. Meanwhile the tax on holding money is purely a tax on a passthrough asset that nobody should hold significant quantities of to begin with. In a hypothetically perfectly optimized society, nobody pays that tax because the transient money supply is zero, that's very different from a tax that grows indefinitely.

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